I fancy the Delaware Smash concept but this is next level in just the fact that it can kill you, never mind how simple it is and yet only a master could do this.
Of the few nice things I have to say about the movie thats NOT about the pretty colors--- this specific move has got to be one of the most goated additions from post 'Team Ehasz era' Bryke.
I bet you the air-scooter and that random af 'air after-image' Aang did vs Zuko in Book 2 finale was their idea too.
A precision based hand cannon of pure compressed aerokinetic force: projected like a blast and the terrifying part is WE the audience can see the wind because its stylized but realistically getting hit by something like that would be damn near invisible.
The only visible evidence of the attack would be debris, leaves or any loose environmental effects conforming to the sheer force of the blast, that would be one of the only evidences you have that something's coming at you, seconds before K.O.
Debris, condensation/water droplets / external elements are the main reason why we can see tornadoes at all. But not the air itself.
🍷Kudos Bryke or Yost, Lauren, or whoevers idea that was. Holy shit.
First off, I luv that Uravity Jazmine poster. What an aesthetic fusion, unexpectedly impressed with that, excellent taste..
I agree, with caveats.
Harold's first lines about Leshawna: "I've never seen a girl like you in real life before. --- you're real big and loud."
Makes me laugh, everytime, precisely because it's stupid, inappropriate. She didn't swoon or made to look like a wild animal for reacting how she did, the scene only works because she almost flattened him for it & it took one girl and guy bigger than her to hold her back.
And yet, I give OP points for theorizing that Harold likely never saw a sistah before or one like Leshawna, because he word for word stated he did NOT. ✅ That is bar for bar the gag.
✅OPs best case being the fetishization & stereotypes, agreed.
✅How hyper-sexualized Leshawna is/ adultified despite how young she actually is, agreed, however--- I've went to academia with ladies like her, they weren't all built like tanks, they weren't all that exaggerated (hence caricature), but they do exist, relatively. Most of them got on my last nerves and nowhere near as likeable as Leshawna.
And yet that doesn't excuse TDI sexualizing her like that.
But taking this that far to the point of Baartman's testimony just to draw a parallel which is hyperbole at best, is doing too much, if we really think things are "kinda worse than ever" nowadays? That's just showing the privilege we have.
📌Picture it: We have it good enough to pull up Sarah's horror story on demand, talk about it, use it strategically to vindicate our feelings & opinions, feel like a hero, put her history away; and then (this is the best part) 👉move on to live a life she couldn't even dream was possible and think things are kinda 'worse' because fetishization still happens.
Without getting beside the valid points OP is actually making, still, just really think about that for a second.
Some of the most worst modern examples I've ever seen of hyper-sexualized BW anything have been from African-Americans themselves, in media and IRL. Ironically.
Unlike Saartjie, Leshawna commands every room she's in because of her confidence, which is why I fancy her the most, her attitude & presence. And in terms of power dynamics, she has every advantage on Harold, including physical. He's not even a rich kid, she's out of his league in every way. The similarities of fetishization are there, & yet in practice, it's more of a subversion than a traditional parallel because of the era gap, ironically.
🚨TL;DR we need to keep things in proportion. You can see slavery where you perceive it if that helps you get to the next 24 hour cycle of our lives, societal echoes of bondage still ring even in Asia's in-fighting or the Arabics' 1000+ year long slave game to America's relatively shorter one in comparison. Everyone's got a rap-sheet.
🚨That's not to trivialize Saartjie, not to dismiss USA's mistakes, but simply: Perspective
📌OP is not wrong for noticing: when you're right, you're right, but it's best to keep things in proportion.
✅OP is rightfully uncomfortable with a caricature being exactly that: and just because satire is "the point" doesn't mean "the point" always work in execution, it doesn't, not always.
And yet, in this case, they used one of the most hideous historical examples that far exceeds what the show actually did, in poor taste, for a show where the entire cast are caricatures. Not. Just. Leshawna.
The issue is, the parallel is loose, but an overshot proportionately.
On fetishization, OP isn't saying they're the exact same, got it. So it's valid as strictly a fetishization continuity example.
Otherwise the invocation in itself? for this? Total Drama Island? Lol. The proportion of scale of the usage of Saatjie's example, at all, specifically for this caricature in a satire show where everyone was a punchline, is an overreaction.
We can recognize that a character trope is insensitive, poorly written, or uncomfortable aka a caricature by design: without needing to equate a cartoon gag, an intentional caricature to human trafficking or invoking 19th-century human zoos. Seeing & noticing is different from using it for emotional currency in a video to criticize a cartoon show where, I repeat, everyone was a caricature.
If 99% of the cast were written like ATLA characters, Team Ehasz level 3-dimensional and then Leshawna was the odd one out? Then this comment would be 98% shorter.
Otherwise, it's agreed that satire doesn't have to be badly written like hyper-sexualizing a teen (agreed), but ignoring the reality that caricatures, satire, parody is inherently risque because it steps out of line to be exactly that it is. That is literally what a caricature is, a dramatic misrepresentation.
Keyword: dramatic MIS-representation = Caricature
Ironically, we might be underestimating Leshawna a bit, just because of her category. Despite the defense for the exact same reason.
📌OP (Reacting to a Doomsday Trailer): "YeahNaaahhh.... That Marvel time has run out a while ago...."
📌Re: "Then explain, Spider-Man: Brand New Day $2.220 billion at the box office in three weeks."
📌Counter Re: "If your point is the "marvel time" hasn't run out because a spiderman film made billion+ including No Way Home & Far From home--- You're answering your own question.
Think about it---- Your retort wasn't the success of a Marvel Phase, you specifically chose a SPIDERMAN movie, let me repeat that: a SPIDERMAN movie (which is sony & MCU, not just MCU)......again, you answered your own question.
The phases themselves weren't billion dollar factories, Phase 3 specifically was a beast in itself, no question.
But if you're reaching to the recent Brand New Day, how many movies in this specific era did Brand New Day numbers, you know? point is, overall SPIDERMAN movies tended to be more successful.
And be careful with that anime fan logic that because something made bank or got views that means it's worth a shit, there's been a lot of "popular" things throughout history that have been actually not so great after the fact.
Just because ppl will spend for it now while it's a hot topic, don't mean it'll age well.
🚩And just because a movie did NOT make even, doesn't then mean it's not good or decent.
Be very careful with that line of thinking. "
Mainly from anime & manga-ites have I seen this deflection repeated, for almost 10 years.
"Don't know why he wanted women to cover to theatres instead of fans of the comics (men and women)"- @pvpv1234
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This goes for all genres from games, to movies, to comics, etc. Why go after women specifically when FANS of anything can be and are men & women which means more money anyway. Precisely.
It's self-sabotage, for no reason.
And it fails 90% of the time, if not more. IP deaths by the droves and for what? Nothing.
Women apparently are the reason the first Gundam series was kept on life support (reason I heard was the emotional depth of the characters, empathizing with war victim characters & specifically how young Amuro was suffering his trauma, mature storytelling than just being about action, space opera drama) until men got on board. But the reason the meta franchise is as big as it is is because of men and women, but allegedly, women in fact are the reason Gundam crawled before it learned to fly.
And if true, women gravitated to the 70s series ORGANICALLY, as far as i know- it wasn't specifically made for women. Which is why it's evolution was natural.
Same goes for your Spider-Man or Superman, these were likely not made for men, they were creations, stories.
When you go out of your way to groom a project to isolate a demographics tastes or your presumption of them, you're actually underestimating the audience.
Now this was 2006, likely the Superman Returns strategy wasn't political more so an attempt to broaden the scope based off of peer films.
Why do I say this? Simply given how action heavy the sequel was before cancellation, it's a stark contrast, two different genre's tied to the same Superman.
They wanted both sides on board, not realizing plenty women like things moving fast and looking cool too. Just put the emotional beats within that framework.
Superman vs The Elite is a good example, Superman Doomsday being another.
The Death of Superman 2018 is yet another one, 1978 as well even tho the effects are a bit wonky, but the writing is on-point in ways that makes the 2025 film look like an amateur fan-film.
Point being: Look at the Phase 1 to 3 of the MCU, before execs decided it was time for women to take over or be appealed to: It's funny how on board women were from the start when you look at reaction mashups of IRONMAN 2008, the women eat it up.
The juxtaposition of Tony's playboy to helpless captive status, the humbling it does to his character. That specifically I find in these mashups is what hooks people, but specifically women to see a larger than life personality in a man at his peak or just Stark symbolizing the preconception of a man being competent, in charge, suddenly brought to vulnerability, even weakness. There's a psychological fascination in that, which also explains the alleged Mobile Suit Gundam phenomenon.
There was no women in those cave scenes, and the women cheered when Tony won, they were intrigued when he was doing his mechanics grind, some of them even commented they found it attractive when men just know how things work mechanically (endearing commentary), and they were somber when Yinsen passed away; and it helps that Tony worked in a pressure cooker, a wasps nest, his life & the life of someone else was on the line. He had to earn it.
Just a roller coaster of emotions. Again, ZERO women in those scenes btw.
And when Pepper was being Tony's emotional anchor, the banter, the push & pull, you could see the audience resonated with that. Women aren't these homogenous hivemind creatures that can only connect with female characters, female power (whatever hollywood thinks that is) or something written for the female gaze, you can have both.
You don't have to isolate women in your media fantasy like your academia & politics insists on doing to them in reality even while it's destroying them.
You can cut them a break in the theater at least, you owe them that much, jesus.
After Phase 4 and Phase 5's failures, that Doctor Doom Special Look reaction mashup, everyone loved it. That Official Trailer didn't hit as expected for most, but that Doom Special look trailer was it.
Watch the mashup with just the women on screen, they're eating it up just like the good old days, the tragic villain archetype with a calloused heart, the mystique of a man in a mask, the implied vulnerability underneath all that power. Success in wait, if it's written proper.
Women are not as complex as we want to think, very predictable, and that's not a bad thing. They're also not these simple beings either, that will just support product because "all female" fetish or #TheForceisFemale got slapped on the box.
Yes, plenty of buzzfeed & article outlets written by men and women will praise the sentiment of excluding men for women, exclusionary rhetoric is great when it's one way. But WOMEN, the everyday woman is not going to support that like Men have entire rooms filled with Gunpla & figurines, collectibles (MONEY MAKERS), just because the studio wants a pet audience to groom, but an audience that's politically current & on the right side of history.
If it's too male dominated, it needs to be altered. If it's female dominated, & men are outside looking in, that's progress.
I personally don't think Singer's intentions were that deep, but how things have escalated since then, and the MCU's recent desperate pivot in tone, politics and marketing because they know they fucked up: Is further proof of how an empire acts through this misconception that you feel successful enough to treat women like a replacement reserve after we're done using the men to pay the bills.
Countries do this, decline ensues, so when studios pivot out of fear because failure's knocking, what does that forebode about a whole country? When the same spiteful attitude is the exact same, because zeitgeist bleeds into media eventually from top-down, studios simply feel the burn much faster than a country would.
It's a microcosm really, a social experiment.
Your population is men and women, your audience is men and women.
You wouldn't have gotten this far with just one group carrying; sure you've got Shoujo & Shonen; but Anime & Manga as a whole, like comics and video games isn't just for men or women.
Plenty of boys watch Shoujo (including myself back in the day, and in fact; I have things to catch up on, actually) and plenty of girls & women (not stereotypical tomboys but regular girls & women) watch shonen/masculine-wired anime.
So the logic of appealing to one just to appease no one is not only exactly what you deserve, not because of karma, but mathematically that's one of the only logical outcomes to expect as an absolute. As an equation, that's to be expected.
But otherwise, Singer merely miscalculated, because again; the sequel by the sounds of it was less romance nove and more graphic novel. His mistake, I presume had nothing to do with politics, but he simply misread the terrain because of the success of a seemingly female oriented film. (The Devil Wears Prada 2006)
But I will say this, if there was too much going on in Superman Returns 2006 action-wise, people would've had complaints about that, rightfully, because it would've been inflated with too much or messy. Case and point? Batman v Superman: Dawn of Junk. So let's not be so quick to assume just action would've made the film better.
As I'm watching Superman Returns while typing this, the lack of action isn't the issue than how Superman & Clark are written and characterized.
TL;DR
DUNE PART ONE was no different from SR2006 & is a perfect example: Like Superman Returns 2006, DUNE PART ONE was also quieter, somber introduction to the world and then PART TWO brought the thunder. Like literal theater rumbling thunder, I saw the film 3-4 times in 2024.
The difference is, DUNE was given a chance to prove itself, Superman Returns was denied that chance.
Singer merely miscalculated, but what he did wasn't wrong, because DUNE did the exact same thing, not in execution, but in principle. Routh has matured immensely as an actor, he's still with us, he's on board. Still attached to the character. And Singer & Ottman cooked with Days of Future Past, ngl. They just need a good script, it's not too late. WB needs to let go of this cinematic universe crap and just take risks.
Not bad. Not as good as pulling fragments of a moon from miles away from orbit (IW Trailer still better), and Magneto technically did this on steroids in Days of Future Past by using metal & eletro-magnetism to puppet non-metallic sentinels while hovering a whole ass stadium, which was in the DOFP trailer btw.
But compared to that nothing Doomsday Official trailer: this was leagues better. Very much enjoyed it. Very much.
The title of the film is his namesake, don't hold back, do what you have to do, Marvel. Spoilers be damned, if the film is worth seeing, spoilers won't matter.
Show us feats, DOOM is the hook for most people, use him. For the love of Excelsior, use DOOM.
1 episode, ppl had to wait 20 years for one episode.
In general, thematic payoff Is not character arc, and a narrative payoff, a symbolic payoff for a character is not character development if the work wasn't done to justify it. A spectacle is not a pivot point for Orihime, no more than Deku's fights changed him as a person.
A character can be an anchor, a fixed point, a symbol, but a fixed point is stagnant, they don't get development. Things happen around them, they change the world, yet they remain static.
Whether or not that works depends on if you prefer a character with depth that resembles an actual person, or a plot device with a name & backstory.
It's important to know both the difference, and the limitations of characters like that.
Could've easily modeled Inoue's power after Susan Storm (defensive type, yet most powerful of the four) and had her be prominent & gentle still.
It being "the point" doesn't mean, "it works". (MHA fans vomited that excuse for years)
If this was Rey (not a fan, also poorly written), Chibi would likely be complaining or other grifters would cry mary sue, but since the goonable pretty anime girl does it, now all of a sudden Orihime is a great character after 20 years of neglect, selective action & passivity.
(just in case his channel gets taken out again @ThatAnimeSnob)
If the her limiter or block justifies it not being random, then that's not a mechanic, that's her ability waiting for permission, then she's a narrative wildcard aka an Eri or an Alluka, a plot device.
🚨so when hundreds of episodes for us (not the characters chronologically) justifies her limits & her not being a mary sue, allegedly. But 20 years of stagnation & de-prioritization is a good thing simultaneously because it hasn't been 20 years for them lmfao, that isn't a problem because this was "the point". Cake being had and eaten simultaneously. r/bonk
Im glad ppl are enjoying it, could be worse, so much worse. But this is an embarrassment for someone on payroll and for a character thats been there since day 1.
This is like Katara's very basic Book 1 "Waterbending Scroll" development happening in Book 3, but that's not a problem because that was "the point", that was the story they wanted to tell, as if being the author makes you an exception to making bad decision with the story.
It being yours, means you can't fail because it's your story. WRONGO.👁👄👁
And despite her not having much combat experience, Orihime "trained" with some blokes, so that means she's not a mary sue, yet with no legitimate combat application to base her feats on, she's able to refute one of the most powerful players. So she can't be a traditional fighter to preserve her gentle nature, yet because of her benching, she doesn't have the XP to justify this. It's not just training, it's experience, scars, blisters.
Can't have it both ways.
📌If this was the story he wanted to tell, & we just have to accept it? What this actually says is she wasn't a priority for 20 years >> not that he was necessarily cooking for 20 years.
Because what happened wasn't extraordinary, it was relatively basic for a painfully simple character.
this is what happens in plot-driven stories, typical shonen, but ppl want to force labels like "character development" into it so the wait can mean something. It was the same way with My Hero, can't have it both ways family.
On kubos part, this is a bizarre way to coddle a character, because being too capable, her being too good at something somehow threatens their innocence.
It's a telling misunderstanding of human complexity on the author's part. "
7:16 Thorias' take on the c*ck thing is interesting, there's actually plenty of (air quotes) "men" that are into that garbage & far worse, but the thing is, Hollywood bombarding men with this disrespect is actually what helps perpetuates these fetishes to exist in the first place.
when the culture seeds disrespect of men for being men for decades on end, then some (air quotes) "men" will perpetuate it themselves as a coping mechanism.
so it's paradoxical: there's plenty who like it, and yet the environment they lived in (including what they watch) is precisely why they think they like it in the first place.
it didn't just come outta nowhere; decades of this cultural abuse will leave a mark eventually.
And to tie back to the show, it's insane how persistent it is, even plenty of women are tired of men being written like this, jaded, outdated, rugged and rejected.
It's inorganic and unnatural. And so one sided, and men in positions of power allow it.😂😂😂
That man's (George the Giant Slayer, on Youtube) script is top-notch
POV: me when other brothas & sistas stepping up spittin pure uncut, potent facts without "imo" in their mouths::: 🧐🍷
"-turn disrespect into dollars."
exactly.
Because if it’s only one way, then it’s not diversity, it’s selection.
If it’s "not that deep”, ok fine, then lets have more fun with this & swing the pendulum both ways--- but consistently.
give us more Gods of Egypt 2016, this time showcasing more obscure African gods & goddesses because.... why so much emphasis on the Greeks but not the African or Arabic Pantheons? like what the fuck hollywood.
Cast Timothée Chalamet as Anansi & make more films with iconic casting like The Conqueror (1956 film/John Wayne as Genghis Khan), and make them eligible for an Oscar if it’s good.
I’m not saying it won’t happen, I’m asking for it lol.
Otherwise this industry rigid norm of POV: paint your project in enough brown or just overall color as if the people you’re hiring are these inanimate pieces on a gameboard, then maybe we’ll give your movie a cookie.
It’s disgusting.
TL;DR I’m Just sayin’, picture it: an animated epic of a talented Hispanic/white/asian whatever woman voicing a black woman Mulan in China, solid character arc, Spiderverse tier animation, Ghibli story inspirations & whooping ass to a Daniel Pemberton & John Ottman score; just might be the palette cleanser Hollywood needs, bold & brave. Not even joking.
Otherwise the greeks still have Homer’s original book, TROY, other translations; they can just go enjoy the takes that’s deemed accurate tbh. If Americans who complain about appropriation of blacks want to appropriate the works of another culture, then let the Americans display they're full of shit, all for the world to see and carry on.
And as much as I liked Perry's layer because her voice just has that sound; I found it wasn't the song that hooked me, overtime that whiney defiant overtone in the lyrics became more unattractive as i got older (Cyndi Lauper vibes just way more on the nose); for 'I kissed a girl' tho, ultimately the lyrics still kick but I outgrew them. It was always the music and that guitar riffing that was the staple, ngl. It's sick how funky it is.
