Men should NEVER have the right to complain about the falling birth rates (response)

 

"99% of the work that goes into childbearing and childraising falls into womens bodies and minds and puts them into a vulnerable financial, emotional and societal position that more often than not leaves them at a disavantage for life."

100% of the childbearing is on women, less actual active work vs it being taxing, a physical sacrifice.

99% Child raising? Hardly, the child for the average parent is not in his or her presence 24/7, them going to school at all, sports, any social functions, relatives, their friends, Church is the village doing what it does. not the best it could be tho. Unless they're isolated with you off grid in the mountains, then it is not 99%.

Choose to have a child in a period that is favorable, stable and with a stable partner that you vetted and chose properly to begin with (which mitigates all kinds of issues). Make better life decisions and one is less likely to be in a bad position.

"They are shamed for staying with the kids when the father leaves and shamed for staying in a abusive relationship to avoid raising the kids without the father. They risk not getting employment, being fired from their jobs."

Unless she was forced, she made the choice to give an abuser kids at all. Her body, her choice, her consequence. 

And if she's shamed for leaving, she still won because she doesn't have an abuser in her life anymore. Let the shamers shame, people having opinions is not a life crisis.

As for the job situation, agreed. Unless you're in the Military or have a job with packages. Not all "jobs" are universal in how it handles maternity.

"Change the distorted society we live in and offer great financial benefits for women who want to have kids and you shall see the birth rate raising massively everywhere.

You won't see "birth rate raising massively everywhere", because that still doesn't address the fact that people on mass on a sociological level: do not want the emotional tax, physical tax (already addressed this), time tax, social tax. The burden. And the role culture played in germinating that attitude.

When people say "CF" / "ChildFree" its in the word = "FREE."

Majority who already decided not to have children aren't likely to180 because of Gov, incentive, which already is not working in other locations like China which is a tad bit more hardass than the west and even they are struggling.

If anything it would incentivize some to hop into being parents for the wrong reasons, just using kids to get paychecks to stay home. As if people needed more reasons to exploit children as means for selfish gain.

That shit is a slippery slope.

One hand, you don't get rewarded for a personal decision, you either can or can't.

And if the consequence is birthrate drop, so be it. Otherwise it's literally just bulk child support on steroids.

But on the other hand, It's a practical policy for housewives/mothers definitely, but not realistic to recover birthrates "massively", it's just a good deal for women who actually want to be mothers, and only women at that.

Is it worth a try? Sure.

Husbands aren't exactly living the dream yet housewives (excluding divorce fallout settlements that stand) definitely need more gain in the martial exchange while the marriage itself stands.

She loses so much more than he does in an active sense during, not even including the birthing process itself which is a beast.

Sociologically speaking, culture has a huge impact on what people value in life & how they treat each other after they imprint on certain elements over some decades. Society in some respects is one big ass parent.

• If the society doesn't care, The people won't care.
• If the culture doesn't train girls to be wives men actually want or train boys to be husbands women actually need in demand, that disparity won't be fixed with money.

• People are less likely to care and marriages won't last no matter how much money is thrown.
• The core issue is the culture: women going school is a reason not the reason vs What kind of people is the collective party/parents training up to be competent options of the era vs just being raised
• What standards are being installed into the youth, if the old ways are being erased, what is taking it's place? Cause it is not working as a formula. And if nothing is being passed on, that also needs to change. If success is the goal.

"Wisemen used to say it took a village to raise a child. Nowadays we abandon women to deal with the whole load of having a child by themselves and shame them if they can't manage to do it alone on a tight budget."

Along with men, society does leave women out to dry in some respects: mainly by not training them to be more accountable or competent with their reproductive powers; Which opens a can of so much worms because of that one thing. Otherwise doing it alone on budgets is mostly consequences of bad decisions. Not things just happening, thus victim.

Otherwise, the people that build the cities, the people who keep the country's lights on, the founding block of a baby being possible, the people that maintenance the traffic lights, build the highways, install the ceiling ducts, HVAC units blablabla Etc. functions of infrastructure most women don't even have to think about because : Thank God men exist and just get it done without demanding a trophy for it.

When children inherit civilization/& women blissfully utilize what men built in the first place. Yes men do have the right to talk & speak on declining birthrates in a civilization they maintain.

That aside, as others have stated, the socio/economic system has to adapt to the decline. yes. however another change needs to accompany that. Again, Fix the culture that caused the cultural division in the first place or else the social virus is just going to infect whatever it is you cultivate next. The predominant culture has to change with the adaption.

There will be/ and is a push for babies for the sake of bodies, but not because the culture learned a lesson, nor actually giving a shit about the family & wants men and women to get along.

Otherwise: As far as functionality/being practical goes, yes, I agree that mothers (varying on prior income+ how many children she has+ Spouse+ location ) should be offered more financial support for the sake of the household rising to the costs for her sake of well being, and more so for the child, the casualty in all this. It'd be similar but not rival to the Military's own Disability or Retirement pay programs.

Though problems with exploitation would come with this, no system transition comes without issues. A state policy trial run wouldn't hurt just to get the ball rolling.

"Governments creating a panic around declining childbirth isn’t going to help anybody. But implementing policies to actually support women who want babies? That just might."
- Helen Coffey (The truth about why we stopped having babies)

However, again, Incentive is just a patch, it's not going to solve the core issue being how the collective party thinks, the culture. That is what needs to change, though it seldom will due to various reasons. (Otherwise birthrate decline, people's martial options, & a parent's economic experience falls under cultural priorities and lack thereof.)