"What was the point of THE DESCENT PART II? So they changed the ending and still made a flop out of a hit movie." - I agree

 

*originally typed AUG 2024

Just finished it. It was filibuster to reach the exact same conclusion as the first, just a worse movie you have ta sit through to get to it.

Unnecessary sequel, granted it was nice to see Juno being a beast as usual and her & Sarah getting some kind of closure but thats the only thing that was accomplished.

 a lot of contrivances (like the amnesia angle being the writers forced reason to get Sarah back in the cave somehow) , worse effects, we know what the crawlers shit pit looks like, we still see the crawlers taking turns killing instead hunting as group, we only see ONE female crawler, no kids, no babies, no elderly, no nest, the crawlers look worse than before.

 The direction was worse, the use of light took the threat level away from the crawlers and the fact that they keep getting bodied. And how its shot looks cheap. bad Cgi = points taken.

But again, Juno dead, Sarah dead. Same exact result as the first, which was presumed anyway. Realistically.

Juno vs all those crawlers, dead.

Sarah resigns herself to her fate with the illusion of Jessica in her final moments giving her some peace as death closed in.

The first movie ended perfectly.

No we didnt get the closure, but the lack of closure was part of the point of the "descent" into chaos, division, anarchy, primality.

Juno was cool, I personally liked her the most. While it was full circle she finally apologize, she did not deserve closure, she was a snake.

The sequel wasnt worth that one moment. Rios being denied because Ed psychically knew where she was going to be or he knew there was only w exits but then how did he know WHEN to be there, or why he presumes the crawlers wont kill them all outside Sarah being a fluke.  Bullshit.

Stupid. Stupid contrivance.

I watched it for more Crawler lore, and I learned they do indeed have a toilet, which I figured as much. Waste of time. Im confused why we only get one female type per movie. Where do they keep the children?

The best part about it was Ed hyping up the dread of the caves being a descent to hell, his gramps not surviving the trip. Chills.

The buildup to the caves were the best bit.

Writing was ass, story was ass, Juno & Sarah carried to a moot end, lore was painfully ass compared to the first.

Ed is protecting/preserving the crawlers, we dont know why or how his Granddads death relates to it or if the crawlers even see him as a benefactor.

What he gets out of it, and now more people are missing, including Law Enforcement personnel = more search party-

A loose end that was avoided with the first because nobody knew where the women were.

We gained absolutely nothing.

"What are your thoughts on Kallen Kozuki?" - Painfully under-written heroine (2025)

Painfully under-written heroine.

Season 2 was not her downfall, it was the show inflating what it always was: Overrated, hack, rule of cool that thought it was clever.

• R2 only emphasized prevailing issues that already existed in S1
• S2 didn't invent the sidelining, plot armor, contrivances, plot holes & overcompensating fanservice because the show couldn't think of humanizing reasons for anyone watching to give a shit about the women beyond what makes your dicc jolt
• And so, it gave us more of what CG was to begin with, the difference is Season 1 didn't have a reputation yet and so it was more conservative with it's gimmicks, didn't mean it was good, it means R2 was worse.

TL;DR Thoughts are Kallen overall was "fine", not good, but fine for a hollow light novel archetype, which is how she's treated.

A remarkably weakly executed character given how early we saw her in Season 1 and really had very little agency despite how headstrong she is.

Yet she's an excellent set piece for action scenes because of her archetype or being a piece of meat mascot for fanservice because unfortunately she wasn't a male character & due to that fact she isn't exempt from not being treated seriously or with respect, because that's what her worth boils down to according to the writers when she isn't kicking ass or being melodramatic or more noticeable: being Zero's biggest simp, her defining trait, besides her grit.

Episode 9 of Season 1 is still one of few episodes I'll still watch these days of the show without getting a headache because of how uncharacteristically competent the writing is for the most part. The through lines relating to her mother's traumas, her resentment toward her mother and it ends with somber closure between them both, though it should've been explored more as with Kallen's entire motivation namely her brother & daily life.

Kallen's goals, her motivation, her flaws, her abilities. She can carry a show easily, an OVA, really she's just as much main character material as Suzaku & Lelouch.

In Zero's absence, I would've liked to see Kallen directly leading the knights, her way; because how Lelouch leads isn't the only method to lead effectively.

• And the respect she already has due to being one of the front line fighters and being THE most valuable fighter: Her being Chief would've given an interesting challenge for us to see her not thinking like a brute, reliant on orders to aim her talents but instead thinking like a tactician, thinking for herself in this way whilst having that combat prowess, so being a nerfed combination of Suzaku & Lelouch but not being especially exaggerated in either category, a balanced Jack of All Trades. And unlike Xingke, she's not sick or anything, she's just not overpowered in terms of being a tactical genius, she goes off instincts.
• Because her decisions in this way would dictate whether or not her comrades live to fight another day, seeing her deal with the weight of that would be an easy arc for an episode, because they're not just chess pieces to her; all of which happens without Zero there to be her emotional safety net vs him/the mask being her metaphorical emotional shackle.
• Easily could've had R2's first 2-3 episodes or less be on that focus, whilst leading up to Lelouch' emancipation from his illusion, building up to it through Kallen's eyes. Easy w.

Lelouch is the MC of base form Code Geass but he wasn't the only protagonist, same with Avatar the last Airbender, Codename Kids Next Door & The Avengers movies, hell even Lego Monkie Kid. You can't just sparingly sprinkle some scarce development in there in 1 or episodes and then piss off, you have to add more development to eventually cultivate an arc. That's how it works.

When the plot hijacks the character writing, when fanservice regresses the profile of the characters, you get stagnation, which leads to sidelining & narrative deprivation. Season 2 didn't undermine Kallen, Code Geass as it always has been: undermined Kallen.

Unfortunately CG's writers had mismanaged priorities.

Otherwise, easily top 5 best pilots in CG, considering how many skilled pilots there actually are in the entire franchise beyond Lelouch' drama, so for her, that says a lot; beside the fact that The Black Knights' Ace pilot, "Q1" is globally infamous, which is also something I liked about what little we got from Kallen's profile in the long term.

But you need more going for you than just a part in action scenes & being boner bait, which is where most people get muddied when it comes to Kozuki or anime female leads in general. We get latched on for superficial reasons vs her actually being "well-written" due to exploration & tests, and it pains me to see (still) how many people will say that term but don't know what it means.

The "lewdness" or fanservice didn't defeat any depth for Kallen, because fanservice, especially in high frequency (in a serious setting like this) is generally what happens in a vacuum of not having depth in the first place. It clashes.

Fanservice can't undermine depth Kallen never got to have, which is why the fanservice was there to begin with; so with depth gone, you have to fill it with something, and lazy writers usually go with Mary Sue-isms (woke, condescending & politicized) or oversexualization (anti-woke, dehumanizing & disrespectful). You'll seldom see that kind of treatment with characters that are actually taken seriously by the writers.

There's a big difference between fanservice cameo, an easter egg, having fun; vs compiled humiliation rituals labeled "fanservice".

It's overcompensation so that the writers give us something to attach onto about the character the easy way, so they don't have to do any real work with their pens to layer the character. That way they can prioritize pushing the plot along while the characters get dragged in tow.

And because situations around the characters develop & escalate, we by proxy think they / the characters are developing as well, when at best they're just reacting to rising events but in reality most of them are actually still the same exact people.

Code Geass was & has always been plot driven over character driven, which is partly why it's a mess, style over substance.

So unfortunately despite her high ranking in The Black Knights, outspoken nature & prominence in fight scenes, the fanservice never undermined her depth because she had none to begin with.

Episode 9 Season 1 was the foundation for depth, & it wasn't fully realized or exploited, despite how early her debut was.

• She isn't an NPC that showed up in Episode 9 or 15, she was there since Episode 1, you'd think she'd get more respect or more to do.

Kallen wasn't useless (her preventing Lelouch from shooting up, rejecting his advance, course-correcting his vision is one of the better scenes in R2 EP7 because of how the drug relates to her personal life- is one of the better moments), she was whiney & clingy at times but not fragile. Written to be way too reliant on "Zero" overall for my taste, with no proactive attempt to use leaving him behind as a sign of growth for her, another wasted opportunity. Otherwise she had a stake & a role (as limited as it was), but not agency nor depth. At best, she was a highly prominent tool, high ranking lackey. What she needed was more independence, more proactivity vs being a reactive henchwoman.

Again, Fanservice definitely regressed her representation but it can't undermine depth Kallen never got to have in the first place, which is why the fanservice was there to begin with.

With depth nonexistent, you have to fill it with something, and lazy writers usually go with Mary Sue-isms (woke, condescending & politicization) or oversexualization (anti-woke, dehumanizing & disrespectful). You'll seldom see that kind of treatment with characters that are actually taken seriously by the writers.

Kallen really could've been the Katara of Code Geass with the theme of vengeance being the parallel, but Anime Japan yet again proved it's not capable or willing to write competent characters of high caliber in mainstream because quotas must be met at the characters expense for reasons that benefit everything & everyone except the characters.

Kallen is cool: strictly as an archetype, that's what she is & treated as, an archetype. As a character (generously): undercooked & painfully under-written because of lazy writers that felt style mattered more than substance. which is Code Geass in a nutshell.

"Rule of Cool:" The Animation, Mechs, superpowers, pretentious pseudo-intellectual political mumbo jumbo, supernatural shit pertaining to the will of man & god, cults, a ninja maid, etc.

Code Geass: Lelouch of the Asspulls was doing too much, it's why it got me into anime, it was an ambitious melting-pot experiment but it really didn't know what the hell it was doing & aged as well as a heroin addict.

Kallen is a casualty of that, one of many.

"What's something VTubers do that you HATE?!" (you asked lol) * Why VTubers are annoying, contrived, pathetic parodies of actual content creators

Example: The post itself, a blue haired wolf/fox/dog whateverthefuck. By itself it looks like a 14 year olds bad attempt at an OC with a dash of "Self-insert" syndrome & a punchable looking face.

Like what the fuck even is this:

Literal eye vomit, pure over-design, everything to hate about what anime did to people’s ability to discern “standards” as a concept, all of that manifested as a mascot.

And the worst part is- I don’t have to like it, people can like it. I have zero qualms with an entire group having shit taste, you ain’t my child, thus not my problem, nor my representation of anything of myself, so go crazy.

The real issue is the OVERSATURATION of countless people copying this nonsense. It’s the excess for me. So sick of seeing it, sick of seeing lazines rewarded.

VTuber designs being obnoxious garbage #1, shitty stock anime songs, dry af personas, oversaturated/ formulaic business model in which the main resource is males being basic products of the times, not a new concept, but still depressing that the main resource is their loneliness or gullible nature, lack of female attention is being exploited with a smile- yet again, as usual.

Because mind you: The target demo and main demographic aren’t the same thing. The target demo allegedly is teens & kids but the main demographic is lonely adults wanting to entertain a waifu they’ll never have, because not only is she not real but it’s a ventriloquized mascot being puppeted by some clown.

I've seen some VTwerps look like demon lords or something, horns n shit. Or harkening back to IronMouse’ obnoxious as hell design, ALL THAT just to watch videos & play games, wearing digital cosplay & thats “content”, extra as hell.

This is some shit I'd expect out of 13 year old girls, if it were children doing this, then it’s normal teenager cringe phase shit.

Vs grown ass women & men lmfao, who should be adjusted by now. Painfully unattractive generations.

POV: **Wear digital cosplay; now you matter**

Regressive.**tldr, not a fan.**

**They're not DeviantArt Fetishist levels of #Parenthoodfail, I'll give average VTubers that much, some of em ain't *THAT* bad. Though they are still annoying.**

If a Vtuber gained a following singing her ass off on decent acapella or something/or being in the %1 of competitive PVP/pro speedrunner/ or could solve advanced algebra equations on a timer for her stream/ master chess player, just having a gift or something That's different.

Or there was a VTuber meta where to be a VTuber you had to be really good at something within an avi, at that point I'd stomach the avi crap, and hop aboard just to see what's up and see them be masters at something.

This way they gatekeep the brand from being crowded; having a talent besides running your virtual mouth & being *uwu quirky* and that's the core of the "content" because schtick formula is the avi doing all the work.

Which is what this is really about, the avi being anime & thats all that atters.

**What I dislike is VTwerps being a Dollar Store version of a Content Creator**, a parody.

Appealing to the lowest to lowest or youngest common denominator, rewarded for the less than the bare minimum.

Pushed so hard by Youtube for example, yet providing so little despite doing the most for no reason, or more accurately---

**"Realtime WAIFU SIMULATOR aka average VTuber"**

Reaction videos out the ass for the avi making the same 2-3 expressions, the fuck even is this timeline anymore? Women just invent new ways to embarraass themselves.

males having easy access to female parasocial companionship without having to work for a real one, tale as old as dropping birthrates and a prevailing manhood crisis.

And its worse that these clowns look like interactive anime bimbos, some look like kids and babies.

Naturally Its the anime crowd, of course they want to watch underage mascots likenesses act like dumbasses.

Not all VTubers are female; majority are female (big shock), In contrast the majority audience are male 15-30yr, the lonely male range (big flipping shock)

# Otherwise, I can just watch anime for that same waifu simulator bullshit, at least then I'll get an equally scripted personality character with better line delivery /better voice acting/ BETTER ACTING from an actress who actually knows what the fuck she's doing.

And I've stopped doing even that for that exact reason almost 20 yrs ago. So I'm not giving some hack NPC, a grownass woman wearing digital cosplay calling herself a "VTuber", a “goddesss” (beit vtuber or fetishist loser) or whatever fatherless behavior someone’s random ass daughter is projecting this week, they’re everywhere.

I’m not paying donos or my attention for her doing her best impression of what she/they thinks is an interesting person. Which is what they’re doing, an elaborate impression of what they’re not.

Apparently this is what they gotta do to get anyone to give a shit, cause they themselves as people isn't good enough. Hell even a regular anime pfp wasn’t enough they had to 3D that shit to get anyone to give a damn lmfao.

Hence the popularity of VTubers: *Not cause of phenomenal content creation but Male devotion/ desperation, predictable proletariate behavior.*

On one hand though, I'm sure they're having fun building the brand & embodying whatever it is they think they're going for, taste be damned--- have fun you cringey snots. Cause some couples watch Vtubers, could just watch anime but whatever.

Live your illusion, even if it means not living at all.

Cause there's much worse cringe & unbridled garbage being pumped out here worth actual hate than VTubers playing video games or dropping an occasional fest or album.

• where VTwerps are tolerable is when they stay in their place, in the niche, out my recommends, and out of my fucking face.

They are tolerable when caught off guard or frustrated & you can somewhat see a real authentic reaction through their stupid avi and or they shut the hell up & in reality the actual entertainment of a Vtuber space- Is really the chat ngl, no different from most streamers.

(the only Vtuber to genuinely not piss me off by virtue of being in my line of sight is sakura miko's reaction to that GTA V Lamar roasts Franklin cutscene. The avi was cringe ofc but the womans vocal reaction saying "N*99a" in a musical note was funny. Wish i could've seen her face when she said it)

**On the other hand, say what you want about Youtube Reactors & some Twitch streamers' politics, but If it's gonna be parasocial?

Do me the respect of not wearing a weeb mask on top of the already fake ass persona act and then think a fabricated backstory & tropey, cutie, kawaii, or mysterious, sensual, smug, abrasive or whatever anime cliche you adopt as a theatricality, pasted on some corny lore attached to an anime girl profile, thinking that makes it a better look.**

Or even if it’s your real personality, why the fucking virtual mask, you can’t be that hideous. And that’s coming from me, but the difference is I’m not live streaming or talking, if you’re going to push yourself that hard, why hide?

Because not showing your face is in fact inauthentic to your own audience.

As if being a mystical, shy, immortal owl huntress turned pop idol from Dimension X with a peanut allergy or whatever they think sells to an audience for some years is gonna stick----

• *Or however long these goofballs choose to keep that shit up, cause some of them do "retire" & walk away.

• Almost as if the gig was a joke to begin with & being a weeb mascot for teenage boys (target demo) isn't something to write home to mommy and daddy*

Way too many adults comfortable doing teenager shit nowadays, and ya’ll think cause it profits, you’re gaining something.

It's pitiful, the parasocial nature of it isn’t that dangerous but it is concerning especially with how young the demographics can be and *yet I can 100% see why kids would buy it; current gen will watch anything or anyone that doesn't know when to shut the hell up, colorful, looks anime+female = average VTuber = business model to exploit*

I get the appeal, anime appeals to the simple minded, the young, the low bar, easy to please, the NPC’s. None of that is a moral judgement btw, being ‘simple minded’ just means you can enjoy almost anything even if it’s garbage, but at the end of the day— you can enjoy something, just in greater volume.

• watching a cropped avi sit there & make the same 2-3 expressions, jerk around making noises as if demonically possessed err i mean "being funny", ain't quirky, its embarrassing.

• The best thing about VTwerps is the side gig attempts, I can somewhat respect some of em for tryna expand the brand, with songs, art & other side quests even if it's mid or straight whack. Still, it’s effort.

VTubers translate better in highlights but even then it's just hearing a humans telegraphed voice coming out of the **humanoid equivalent of visual vomit** trying it's best to emulate a personality.

And even if it looked like peak pixar model with realtime expressions, its still bad.

In fact that’d look creepier if it could tap into full range of expressions.

VTuber is no longer a niche for a small clan, it's an exploitation of a loneliness market (not the only one either), it fell off cause they're doing too much.

VTubers are not exact clones of each other but they are variants, all disposable, as fake as a botox; *could be worse but painfully oversaturated & infantile.*

• It sucks they don’t have to be good at anything so any useless bot can just make the avi & pop off if they catch the right crowd, zero effort.

I swear there’s a grownass man with a teenage looking vampire jailbait with twintails, and dude has zero qualms with that. THATS his platform, burly man voice coming out of a little girl. Un-fucking- believable.

And random commentary channels i watch always have some vtuber in the damn videos, I can’t escape these twats, on god, lmfao.

So when Youtube shows me or insists on recommending me another stock demon chic/ green/blue haired VTard chump or some toddler looking little loli bastard and the title has

"VTUBER REACTS"

Meanwhile, people with actual talent, people I follow who can’t get a break, people who create actual content, who ARE ACTUAL CREATORS (shoutout “RobenSikk” on youtube) See when those people can’t get the kind of push VTubers get when VTubers are skill-less, worthless drones, unearned shilling.

Yeah imma get slightly agitated at that point especially when "not interested" ain't working and the videos are under "FOR YOU" tab.

HOW? I’m one of those peons who will listen to lectures while doing 3 other things. When do I EVER even imply I would watch a “VTuber“, are you serious?

Then it makes me wonder if the algorithm truly thinks anyone & I MEAN ANYONE that watches anime (even if it's like 3 times in a year) really is that basic / & or desperate.

• Because while I get the appeal, I don’t get the hype.

I had turn off all google history just to get it to stop, for maybe 4 months beefore I started seeing it again.

Sick to death of looking at these people’s ass faced-mascots.

Otherwise I can ignore em as long as they stay outta my way, generously. Same with fetishists, I don’t hunt for these idiots, they end up in my face? It’s on sight.

Most of 2024 was Youtube ruining my site experience with those talentless hacks littered all over my recommends— On top of 15-30 second ads (& a few 1 hour) every 2-5 minutes/seconds, beginning, middle, middle, middle and end. It’s getting to the point where Imma just download videos I want to watch to see them in peace, and If I like it I’ll go back to the channel and like it.

Youtube needs to stop rewarding laziness; like any parasite, for VTwerps, if this schtick didn’t profit, these people wouldn’t be milking it dry like this this much.

I just as much don't want VTubers shoved down my throat any more than I would politics or religion that I didn’t ask for, dead ass.

So when I’d prefer to watch a 3 hour five precepts lecture over even 10 minutes of some VTuber mapping out why dropping birthrates is a good thing by just being a general dumbass, algorithm needs to do better, Youtube lost it’s own plot.

"What are your honest thoughts about Kara Zor-El" (Same as the canon, Kara Bore-El is a redundant, but tragic waste of potential) - My Adventures with Lois-Chan

same as the canon:

mediocre/ forced/ entire existence trivializes the miraculous- touching impact of Kal surviving at all, so really-- thanks to her, the LACK of impact of him surviving at all.

(Because most of the Kryptonian villains/extras that survive either get incarcerated, die or killed or were explained to be in the Phantom Zone anyway, so Kara is the main constant that breaks the impact of the "Last Son of Krypton" being "THE LAST", because the way she survives in PC already trivializes Kal's survival once over before her existing at all trivializes his survival twice over)

And most people miss that because most don't truly get the point of Kal's connection to Krypton's memory specifically. And neither do DC writers apparently. Style over substance.

Writers were/ & are still terrified of taking chances with Kara Bore-El & even more allergic to committing to it; god forbid doing anything interesting with this NPC avi of a character. Thats the box she's been in for the past 20 years since Superman/Batman #8, as of 2025

At face value, you could write her off as an innocent/uninspired marketing gimmick, like in the 60s, which she still is somehow- but it's different when writers try to marry her into serious storytelling. Then it gets messier.

But Loeb inserted a unique element of grit in 2004 for her (not a brand new take btw, but the way he did it was fitting for a modernization) that if committed to: could've made Kara something special, tragic & even contradictory even, in a good way. The same opportunity My Adventures, New 52 , & others had.

Even then, Loeb made some mistakes, one of which is making her his cousin again. Fan-fic tier writing, insulting even.

Now she's a basic bih anime extra in My Adventures with Lois-Chan, as I predicted the day Episode 2 of Season 1 dropped.

I knew exactly what was going to happen when they announced Season 2 before Season 1 could get comfortable, these cats truly overestimate her importance in the Superman lore. She's a part of it, not essential to it.

Now, to be fair--- I didn't see the genocide angle coming, & yet it surprised me just as much as Horikoshi's good concepts in My Hero Academia, meaning it works better as an aesthetic because that's all it amounts to.

And with that in mind-- I knew exactly what to expect: Solid concept, whack execution.

An edgy concept with wasted potential is as useful as a cup of purified water for someone drowning to death. Style over substance.

• And before her trauma could be explored or tapped into, developed, milked even: we've moved on; before this version of Kara could finally maybe raise the goddamn bar for the Supergirl ARCHETYPE as a whole, this could've been it for her & all takes to come after her- but instead they did exactly what Supergirl writers do and that's backtrack, domesticate her & maintain status quo cause that's easier to manage, it's safe.

As if the mere prospect of the genocide alone was supposed to be enough; and never mind what a revelation like that would do to a person all at once, let alone long term- the reality that their body was repeatedly ventriloquized/violated for the cause of deaths of civilizations, WHAT?!

Before she could even properly process that, here comes Lois-Chan, James & the plot, just in time to ruin the scene and prevent introspective development.

These writers can't commit or cook anything. ADHD writing since season 1, in a rush to avoid making a competent story.

It amazes me how WB can sleep on goldmines like Cassie Cain & Starfire but Supergirl gets all these chances. She's likable, yes- yet the LEAST interesting of their heroines. Super-Nepotism.

• people like the idea of kara, they love the novelty of a girl with the powers of Superman.
• Novelty. This has been the case before the century turned, however: Wasted potential, that's the most consistent element about Supergirl since the beginning. Wasted potential / Mediocrity. And that element is represented consistently in this mid show.

"Honest Thoughts"?

Kara is garbage overall, but with good intentions. The end.

But this version of Kara Snore-El specifically is a Dollar Tree attempt (keyword: "attempt") at The Iron Giant, X-23, Winter Soldier, Zuko, Cassie Cain, or even Chase from Kamen Rider Drive or accurately? SON OF DARKSEID from Superman The Animated Series (which came BEFORE Loeb's Evil Kara take in 2004) because Kara is literally nothing without Superman.

(Kara In-Ze-- well rounded attempt, easy to follow without deep homework, not Kal's cousin, outsmarted Zod/ she's clever, some missed opportunity but decent enough; still knockoff but tolerable, solid)

So if it's solid, it's solid. This Kara is not one of them, a messy, tumblr fan-fic attempt at a Supergirl and it shows in both the execution to how she looks.

Could you get anymore uninspired?

Android 18 was no total victim, she was all in for being a menace until she was the one getting hunted (Cell), which was sweet karma. But Android 18 was 1-3 of public enemies and she was neither 2 nor 3. Why can't we get a Kara that just embraces not having to be a DLC Superman? Why does she always have to be attached to this man & why does she always get thrown in universes where a Superman exists already, thus forever making her existence redundant, holy moly. I don't like the concept of this character let alone the character
on mass, period, but even I have to question why DC keeps doing that to her in mainstream.

And then they give her this little facial scar at the end of the season, ooooh she has a scar guys, really making the most of that "Adult Swim" brand lmfao.

Lightning Lad loses an entire arm in a kids show, but the best they can do here is a glorified tattoo. "Adult Swim" Cowards lol.

Otherwise, Kara consciously committing such crime because she knew what she was doing because of bad nurture vs Making it all Brainiac's doing-- takes the agency & accountability off of her (PREDICTABLE, I thought this was "ADULT SWIM", not KidsWB)

Which negates more intrigue she could've had, which is what ALWAYS happens to this character, because writers insist on PROTECTING her instead of writing her worth a crap through blisters.

Even Tom King couldn't pull it off

• For him, yet another self-discovery re-tread because thats all Kara is worth nowadays, grips constantly where her place is or purpose; the best DC can do every 9-10 years is edge bait or Kara re-learning & Re- re learning again self-help "identity" themes, because she DOESN'T organically have one. Otherwise you wouldn't need to try that hard to justify a character thats almost 100 years old.

This is why she has always been Kara BORE-EL, and it bleeds into the show.

• The show wants the money shot of Kara floating over burning city
• it wants the tease of her being an obstacle, but not entirely an enemy (because then she's not a victim)
• then it wants the tsundere kawaii "she's awkward & doesn't know how to be normal" moments to attract all the smooth brained monke's ready to adopt a new pet waifu, max cringe,
• the show wants all of that without any of the consequence or work, when that baggage, that controversy is exactly what the writer NEEDED to exploit while the iron was hot- to make this Kara the best of them all, in just under 3 episodes, if not 1.
• She could've been the best that Kara should've been since her debut in the revamp in 2004. But nope, "Style over substance." Modern Anime syndrome.

In the history books, this Kara gets points for edge (not unique, its been done already), just like her post-crisis version getting rimjobbed back in the day because Kara's more "angry" than Kal because of her memories of her home and that made her more interesting than him (Bullsh1t, no it didn't. If anything, that's actually Zod & Superboy-Prime. But nobody's tryna have that conversation)

• Otherwise, unless they did something of substance with said edge (Red lantern arc/Daughter of Brainiac) +AND COMMITTED (which they didn't), the edge is actually a strike against her, cause all it did was just set her up for being put in a status quo box, yet again.

In her defense, she was seriously robbed here, because this show's writers specifically- constantly prioritize cheap /quick payoffs over development (this literary quirk of theirs agitated me since Season 1's premiere); The show successfully modernized her (yet again) & did her zero favors anyway (yet again), when this could've been the turning point for how Supergirl should be written across all her media & DC meta, if done right. It's Adult Swim, there's zero excuse for this.

Not enough commitment & drive to mold her into something believable----ESPECIALLY if they decided to go with GENOCIDE of all things....they didn't have to take it there but they did, now they don't wanna do the work in the season relevant to the matter THEY themselves chose to introduce. Sloppy, hence the series.

tl;dr As she is now is what she's always been, mid/redundant/wasted potential/forced/robbed/& forced

Too much protection & "not her fault" syndrome- to get anything interesting / or legitimate done.

"Women have to be less educated for the birth rate to increase in first world countries" - incorrect, It's not about the education, it's the time and the message. (response)

It's not about the education, it's the time invested into it is all.

Women do not have to be less educated, it's about time management, they choose to spend it elsewhere (does not mean educated women do not have kids ever, just later & fewer frequency, more priorities, a good thing). As do the men.

"My mother graduated college and went on to have 9 kids. Her best friend graduated from college and had 5. Another friends mother was a diploma nurse and had 14 kids. They were all born in the 1920s."
-ktp806

(The economy was mad different back then, so was the culture)

Furthermore, the men have to want to engage with women at all for the reproduction process for her begin in the first place, on average. (And that's assuming the men and women of said country are in a good place for that to be free of complications, which is a whole other situation)

That leads into the cultural attitude people possess towards the family unit as a whole, fact is when privilege world economy enjoys a state of normalcy, complacency sets in, with a hint of gynocentrism. Reinforcement & respect for the family unit tends to wane. Taken for granted, it happens.

the cultural attitude/ the relevance of the family unit's importance & whether or not it's revered or honored anymore has more weight in magnitude in the matter than a woman getting a bachelor's degree which doesn't take 6-11 years of her youth to get done.

But when culture doesn't value the family unit, most people emulate the same mindset & then don't seek it on mass, emulation.

If casual sex/hedonism/lessening the importance of familial stability & emphasizing secular conquests, achievement: If that is more of the predominant culture than building families, then that is what will likely be emulated. People aren't robots, but they do imprint on consensus, signals & subliminal messaging. Especially if it's through a digestible medium like music, movies, etc.

(while non-offensive in isolation & endorsing people focusing on themselves can add a different form of fulfilment in a persons life, when you promote that AND leave the importance of the family unit behind-- that's when problems start. Lack of balance.) that paradigm can span for decades unnoticed until suddenly you can't ignore it anymore because the collective leaned too hard in that direction. The culture has a responsibility as to what signals it's sending, if you're trivializing the family, then consequence will be as such.

Cultural Sociological Science is an underrepresented beast in this topic.

With the escalating economic demands, are programs being set to financially afford mothers/fathers/parents a more smooth parenting simulation. Is COMPETENT parenting being cultivated in the collective party?

You can have time to parent & have nothing to teach or offer, while afford having a child- are the parents being trained to TRAIN their kids and not just raise them-

A generation of people child-less calling it "child-free" is rationalization. It's really not about convincing people to have children, it's whether people were giving the impression that children or the family mattered in the first place: Culture.

• You can't teach girls "single ladies" ministry 90% of their young lives, make men irrelevant to their experience, then switch the formula at 30 (because society all of a sudden needs people/ NOT FAMI(LIES but "bodies") Meaning the culture learned nothing, it's just needy now.
• Then tell them they're selfish when you taught them to be selfish to prioritize the self. They didn't come out the womb saying #FutureisFemale, THAT came from the collective.
• Groomed to be independent of men to the point of politicization & isolating themselves when they didn't need to, to be bachelorette's, CEO's, not wives, not mothers, not humble, not desirable seldom by ANY other crop of men on the planet, nor competent partners. A lot are suffering a generational accountability deficit.

many may feel they're not even worth fighting for, The real tragedy.

Cultural consequences.

We need to stop deferring to "women's education" or "education" being the #1 why or "the" reason or the fault so quickly every time this is brought up like it takes women 10 years to get a degree or every other educated woman is aiming to be an astronaut or a Licensed practicing Medical Doctor. This is bunk, that's not the average nor reality. (Women's education is a factor, not one of "the" reasons vs What was the society's priority in terms of pop culture or overarching overtone BEFORE this couldn't be ignored anymore,) that needs to be looked into more.

Were women & men painted in a good light, in a good place? Brought together or pitted against the other in pop culture? Politicization spreading the joy.

If the family was always supported and this decline still happened, then we can go from there.

Otherwise, the chronological math doesn't add up, this is a situation spanning back to the 70s, women's education would non-debatably cause a shift & delay but a dramatic tank like we're seeing now? Is way beyond women going to school or a slight shift in societal "norms" ( More like abolishment)

This is concerning both men & women, talking about birthrates & excluding where the headspace of men is & their own multiverse of complications, again and expect progress in the matter is asinine. That neglect in fact is part of the problem.

This isn't on women, this isn't on men. This is a culture skill issue.

The data analysts are just repeating affirmed/safe talking points, that's all that is, psychologist do the same thing. And the common denominator is they tend to overlook other factors in the matter that really have more pull in what's actually going on.

All in all it's not worth immediate panic, there's ways countries could get around this, but as a collective.

And unfortunately the system "adapting" to new state of society vs forcefully rising the numbers is not a solution in either case, it's moving the goalpost. It's desperate patchwork, not a fix.

If it took 30-50yrs to get here, then it's going to take some serious asspull to get things fixed. But that requires admitting maybe how western culture propagandized women & men politically and how the two sides were made to see each other was a blatantly dire mistake.

There's a big difference between the societal party: "Needing people" vs "society needing strong families units back", if you don't hear some variation of the latter, then the society hasn't learned. It's just meeting a cold statistical demand, the problem remains.

If you completely overhaul the system to adapt to the decline and you neglect to fix the cultural issue that sabotaged that last one, what caused the previous decline (ill-prep, neglect, and politically driven division etc.) will just follow you into the new system.

If you cram immigrants into a country to supplant tanked birthrates because your society's men & women on mass don't desire each other for family building. You're patchworking a very VERY deep rooted problem, not a solution. The change needs to be in what caused the problem, culture, how the people think, what the collective values as relevant and worth honoring..

How is society supposed to change when the change isn't in the people? How's the collective's attitude toward the family supposed to change when the attitude in the people is the exact same, 30+ years worth of trivialization, destabilization.

People & Gov. are too focused on numbers & not the sociology,, *this is the power of propaganda.* People of a country are looking at graphs (because that’s tangible, easier evidence to observe, *more importantly:* it’s something easier to blame)  and don't even know half of what actually happened to them. Propaganda.

You can give someone a new body because of an airbourne virus that killed the old one. Yes, you have a new body to start fresh with, but the virus is still there in the atmosphere so you just made a change without changing anything, without addressing the looming problem. Patchwork and no solution.

Changing the system without changing the culture is applying the right change in the wrong direction.

Men should NEVER have the right to complain about the falling birth rates (response)

 

"99% of the work that goes into childbearing and childraising falls into womens bodies and minds and puts them into a vulnerable financial, emotional and societal position that more often than not leaves them at a disavantage for life."

100% of the childbearing is on women, less actual active work vs it being taxing, a physical sacrifice.

99% Child raising? Hardly, the child for the average parent is not in his or her presence 24/7, them going to school at all, sports, any social functions, relatives, their friends, Church is the village doing what it does. not the best it could be tho. Unless they're isolated with you off grid in the mountains, then it is not 99%.

Choose to have a child in a period that is favorable, stable and with a stable partner that you vetted and chose properly to begin with (which mitigates all kinds of issues). Make better life decisions and one is less likely to be in a bad position.

"They are shamed for staying with the kids when the father leaves and shamed for staying in a abusive relationship to avoid raising the kids without the father. They risk not getting employment, being fired from their jobs."

Unless she was forced, she made the choice to give an abuser kids at all. Her body, her choice, her consequence. 

And if she's shamed for leaving, she still won because she doesn't have an abuser in her life anymore. Let the shamers shame, people having opinions is not a life crisis.

As for the job situation, agreed. Unless you're in the Military or have a job with packages. Not all "jobs" are universal in how it handles maternity.

"Change the distorted society we live in and offer great financial benefits for women who want to have kids and you shall see the birth rate raising massively everywhere.

You won't see "birth rate raising massively everywhere", because that still doesn't address the fact that people on mass on a sociological level: do not want the emotional tax, physical tax (already addressed this), time tax, social tax. The burden. And the role culture played in germinating that attitude.

When people say "CF" / "ChildFree" its in the word = "FREE."

Majority who already decided not to have children aren't likely to180 because of Gov, incentive, which already is not working in other locations like China which is a tad bit more hardass than the west and even they are struggling.

If anything it would incentivize some to hop into being parents for the wrong reasons, just using kids to get paychecks to stay home. As if people needed more reasons to exploit children as means for selfish gain.

That shit is a slippery slope.

One hand, you don't get rewarded for a personal decision, you either can or can't.

And if the consequence is birthrate drop, so be it. Otherwise it's literally just bulk child support on steroids.

But on the other hand, It's a practical policy for housewives/mothers definitely, but not realistic to recover birthrates "massively", it's just a good deal for women who actually want to be mothers, and only women at that.

Is it worth a try? Sure.

Husbands aren't exactly living the dream yet housewives (excluding divorce fallout settlements that stand) definitely need more gain in the martial exchange while the marriage itself stands.

She loses so much more than he does in an active sense during, not even including the birthing process itself which is a beast.

Sociologically speaking, culture has a huge impact on what people value in life & how they treat each other after they imprint on certain elements over some decades. Society in some respects is one big ass parent.

• If the society doesn't care, The people won't care.
• If the culture doesn't train girls to be wives men actually want or train boys to be husbands women actually need in demand, that disparity won't be fixed with money.

• People are less likely to care and marriages won't last no matter how much money is thrown.
• The core issue is the culture: women going school is a reason not the reason vs What kind of people is the collective party/parents training up to be competent options of the era vs just being raised
• What standards are being installed into the youth, if the old ways are being erased, what is taking it's place? Cause it is not working as a formula. And if nothing is being passed on, that also needs to change. If success is the goal.

"Wisemen used to say it took a village to raise a child. Nowadays we abandon women to deal with the whole load of having a child by themselves and shame them if they can't manage to do it alone on a tight budget."

Along with men, society does leave women out to dry in some respects: mainly by not training them to be more accountable or competent with their reproductive powers; Which opens a can of so much worms because of that one thing. Otherwise doing it alone on budgets is mostly consequences of bad decisions. Not things just happening, thus victim.

Otherwise, the people that build the cities, the people who keep the country's lights on, the founding block of a baby being possible, the people that maintenance the traffic lights, build the highways, install the ceiling ducts, HVAC units blablabla Etc. functions of infrastructure most women don't even have to think about because : Thank God men exist and just get it done without demanding a trophy for it.

When children inherit civilization/& women blissfully utilize what men built in the first place. Yes men do have the right to talk & speak on declining birthrates in a civilization they maintain.

That aside, as others have stated, the socio/economic system has to adapt to the decline. yes. however another change needs to accompany that. Again, Fix the culture that caused the cultural division in the first place or else the social virus is just going to infect whatever it is you cultivate next. The predominant culture has to change with the adaption.

There will be/ and is a push for babies for the sake of bodies, but not because the culture learned a lesson, nor actually giving a shit about the family & wants men and women to get along.

Otherwise: As far as functionality/being practical goes, yes, I agree that mothers (varying on prior income+ how many children she has+ Spouse+ location ) should be offered more financial support for the sake of the household rising to the costs for her sake of well being, and more so for the child, the casualty in all this. It'd be similar but not rival to the Military's own Disability or Retirement pay programs.

Though problems with exploitation would come with this, no system transition comes without issues. A state policy trial run wouldn't hurt just to get the ball rolling.

"Governments creating a panic around declining childbirth isn’t going to help anybody. But implementing policies to actually support women who want babies? That just might."
- Helen Coffey (The truth about why we stopped having babies)

However, again, Incentive is just a patch, it's not going to solve the core issue being how the collective party thinks, the culture. That is what needs to change, though it seldom will due to various reasons. (Otherwise birthrate decline, people's martial options, & a parent's economic experience falls under cultural priorities and lack thereof.)