Miles isn’t bad, just overrated (2022)

”wild to me”, as in how could you not like him

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Mind you they’re leaving out continuity, origin differences, the fact some aren't mantles but actual RANKS (GL), Fate/Nabu is more an Entity than a mantle. (debatable, yes)

Barry to Jay is Jim Hammond Human Torch to Johnny Storm’s Torch- existed in different times

• Hammond was an Allies soldier

• Johnny is a modern Superhero whose power is cosmic in isolation

Leaving out context to make a moot point.

I was there day one Miles’ story began, and i loyally bought his stuff.

He ain’t all that, the main selling point is the cultural modernization that he represents, he’s an urban, black Spider-man and that’s mainly why people latch onto him.

• Not that he’s in anyway compelling or interesting in a unique sense, cause he is an individual person, but the urban aesthetic mainly is what people fell in love with. And that’s 100% fine-

• But it’s when you start deflecting that fact and start acting like people have an issue when they don’t like him and you just can’t for the life of you understand “why why why, don’t you like him” vs other knockoffs:

Mind you, i’m probably one of the lesser yet avid Supergirl criticizers on the net, and i’m not even talking about the show, that’s too easy, comics 100%. That requires research.

So there’s no double standard, Kara Zor El is a blue eyed blond haired girl next door archetype cosplaying as Superman, her entire appeal is to get women into the lore as the obligatory “put a chick in it after the male character did all the hard work to make the name popular” but she ended up being taken in by straight men as a fanbase, majorly.

Why?

• Because she’s got a dynamic character arc? (She’s had some decent runs, nothing phenomenal)

• An arc that at one point changed the landscape of DC?

• Her tragic downward spiral of self-destruction and wrapped up in a beautiful act of redemption & sacrifice?

NOPE that would be someone else, who i often WISH was Supergirl in the first fucking place.

But despite Clark Kent-PRIME being a better character (in concept, not the best characterization compared to Supertoken, but his arc was solid), somehow hasn’t gotten a single chance in the animated media.

Young JUSTICE didn’t choose him. They chose Kara to end off S4, because we haven’t had enough of her the past 15 years, she’s so deep like that.

And yes: The most you can say is she more trauma due to her actually knowing Krypton, having friends, her family or seeing it explode-

But the premise of her entire origin is why she doesn’t work. Jor-El just happened to have a brother who just HAPPENED to be a scientist who just HAPPENED to have the same exact idea (not trivializing Kal’s survival at all) to save his daughter & not himself or at least get his wife and daughter away safely.

No just copy & paste. So Superman miraculously has a cousin, the COUSIN trope.

Kara Bore-El is a Fanfic OC made canon.

Her being an angry/edge-lord sometimes doesn’t mean she’s interesting- solely because they don’t DO anything with that anger or trauma and or they don’t commit to it. (Red Lantern Kara)

You know who’s trauma DC used to make an interesting story (excuse me) SAGA, an interesting SAGA? Superboy-PRIME.

I DIGRESS

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As you can tell, i cannot stand her despite her innate general appeal. Why? Writing, purpose, originality, DC forcing her desperately, purpose and lack thereof.

The takes of Kara that land, FOR ME, are the ones that say or do something different from the version mainline canon, and allow her to be her own thing off of Clarks coattails in some way, minor or major.

*DC Nuclear Winter Kara Zor El, i like her.

And the fact that she’s a cutesie R63, usually. Is the only reason why she remained relevant for this long, same with Powergirl, up until people literally forgetting she existed because her contribution to the picture was big tits and a little bit of ego.

Injusitce 2 brought her back, attitude and all.....aaaand then she went back into obscurity, nobody gave a shit after 2 weeks. WHO saw that coming?

Same with Miles, token. Token-Morales

Miles not bad, not a bad kid, not the worst take on Spider-man. Just overrated.

Kara is cool enough kid, she’s just unnecessary.

Some people need to just admit what they like about them is the aesthetic surrounding them both, and stop pretending we just don’t get what it is that’s wrong with other people regarding Morales specifically.

Cause i guarantee you majority of people stanning this kid has NEVER read that issue where he fought that nobody villain: Kangaroo- which is technically where his first fight as a masked hero began.

And yes, I was on that shit when it dropped.

Doesn’t mean you have to read every single issue to speak on the matter (Because i need to catch up on some of his stories myself), but the point is with all this support for this character or even Kara Snore-EL, how invested are you really in this boy beyond what’s fed to you by Hollywood or what zeitgeist says you’re supposed to feel vs what he or she have actually done on their own.

• It means: Do you actually give a shit? Are you invested, or are you just talking & going through the motions.

It means don’t act stupid for the sake of feigning confusion when you know exactly what’s up.

Like he should be or has to be liked and anything less is a problem or something.

Most people big him up because he’s a POC Spider-Man, period.

If they (Marvel/Bendis) had any balls they would’ve made Miles more like Kaine, give him some anger issues & do something with it, make him a Spider-Man Foil.

Or SOME kind of major flaw that made him having powers a serious problem- and how he uses his powers, is different enough from Peter in sheer application to where he’s not your average Spider-Man by just how he moves.

Because Prowler Miles is what I’ve been needing, that’s an interesting story right there.

No Quirk, but running shit anyway.

Like Deku & Allmight having roughly the same power, initially, but Deku uses his strengths so differently by S2-S3, he literally moves & fights nothing like All Might anymore. He’s his own aesthetic.

Even Full Cowling isn’t something Allmight’s really known for or any of the Vestige, it’s a visual distinction between Deku and the rest.

And that’s one of few things i can actually praise of the franchise without a complaint.

That should’ve been Miles.

And no, some sparky fingers ain’t unique cause Jessica was doing that shit decades before Miles was a concept, but nobody talks about that tho. Venom Blast is not a new thing people.

The Invisible Woman shit? Sure i’ll give him that i guess. It’s pretty cool. But again, SUSAN been on it too!

Moreso this alternate Miles’ arc is moreso learning the values of a hero in his own way, at his own pace, while maintaining enough moral differences from Parker to be a different situation.

• Say he’s 18 when he gets his power, slightly older than when Peter got his,14-15.

• Have the first 9-12 months be him using his powers for himself, a “fuck the world” attitude, make em a wannabe sociopath- until he does something deathly serious in a fit of rage or self defense, that he can’t undo and regrets for the rest of his career.

Anything like that would’ve been more compelling.

You can’t tell me that doesn’t sound like a more interesting story, i didn’t say “better”, i said “interesting.”

Not just Peter Parker but recolored.

Again, I was there since the beginning, 2012, day one i was buying Morales comics “Because he looked liked me”, as a youngin I bought that “representation” kool-aid people swear on their Mama’s mama is so goddamn important- and guess what, I was NOT impressed. Miles was boring, and buying those issues for such a stupid reason, it made me wonder I was a lame as the goddamn character.

What did I do? Took my black ass right back to better characters lmfao.

• The staying power wasn’t there, the justification of his looking like me (and yes he looked just like me) WAS NOT enough to warrant long term investment because while he did look like me, Miles was NOT me. Period.

• I liked that both his parents were alive, ofc they weren’t an entirely black family unit, of course.

• But i liked his pops, Jefferson being a cop. His mom was good peoples, and what happened to her was...something.

• But the kid overall was boring, he didn’t speak to me, he just mirrored my melanin, big fucking deal.

Lo and behold, just looking like a person isn’t enough to justify staying power, who knew? Just being black doesn’t mean i relate to you, who knew?

That was the day i realized, true “Representation” is NOT skin deep. It’s about character, who you are as a person. Period.

Between Kaine and Morales, it’s not even a Contest.

One has enough distinctions moral & mental to be a completely separate franchise and SHOULD'VE been in movies by now, R Rated ofc.

And the other is just a glorified What If DLC.

But ofc guess who gets a honorable mention, twice in the MCU. The Black Spider-Man ofc:

• Because he’s compelling, interesting, a long standing character in the Spider-man lore?

No that’s KAINE, hell i’m still looking for Madam Web’s respect, on god..

I’m STILL waiting for MAYDAY (rightful heir to the mask) to get her big break! The fact that Miles was able to skip the line in front of her, is insane to me.

Miles is likely going get to the MCU first before BEN, Web, Mayday and KAINE combined, because he’s the black Spidey.

Again, you can like him if you want, but don’t pretend for a second why people don’t like him is some mystery.

Miles looks exactly like me, i repeat and i cannot stand him as a concept- i gravitate to Venom, Kaine, Miguel, Spider-Man NOIR, Mayday, etc.

And Miguel is technically the POC Spider-man BEFORE Morales, half Mexican, but Miles is black+latino in current day, so let’s just forget all about O’Hara until some corny Spiderverse movie makes him relevant again in the post credit scene, now everyone’s going to love Miguel because he’s going to be in the next movie.

Mapping out the main reason i can’t stand normies sometimes, bandwagon mentality.

And it sucks cause we got him in Ultimate Spiderman XD, Edge of Time, Shattered Dimensions, so the man had some momentum getting off the pages. So what was the hold up with getting this cat in a movie? Or a Mini series like TNAS Spider-man most people forgot?

Miguel is a legit cool dude, careerman, sly, very different aesthetic, different time, different Spider-man. He is NOT Parker, trust me.

Miguel O’Hara should’ve been gotten his own show or movie. And on that note, that obscure underwritten Spider-man Unlimited, was a Spider-man 2099 cartoon that didn’t know or it 100% knew it was trying to be 2099

But our boy Miles gets to skip the goddamn line in front of established more interesting characters that have done their time since before the Century turned, get mentions in the MCU and 2 animated movies, if that’s not AA energy i don’t know what is.

NOW THAT’S wild to me.

Supergirl: ALL his powers, none of what makes him interesting. Not in the slightest. (original post : 2023)

 ugh, that dialogue just maps out what her problem is.

All his powers, none of his legitimacy.

Some articles want to argue that her having memory of Krypton and dealing with it being gone makes it more interesting than Superman.

Seems desperate, if one difference is what you're going with and that only works IN CONCEPT when you actually do something with that.

I repeat, the concept alone doesn't make her interesting you have to actually DO SOMETHING with it- and not retcon it in 4 years.

Kill her, have her death mean something then bring the bimbo to life anyway to just "exist", that's not doing anything, that's using her as a novelty, which is all she is.

Point being, there's another knockoff with the exact same premise as SupergirlNextDoor, but somehow ended being more interesting than Supergirl even as she's had decades of history on him:

SUPERBOY-PRIME

Dude's entire Universe, not one Planet, his UNIVERSE. was erased like a scent in the wind. Gone forever.

Did he become a by the numbers cheap knockoff sidekick? Hopping from team to team, looking for any ounce of relevance in the shadow of the original article? Writers galore wanting to carve an identity discovery narrative for this same character over & over again because they know she has no identity, so the constant theme is she has to find herself or get out of Supermans shadow because that shadow is why she's relevant in any respect. Eternal inferiority complex.

Nope, thats Kara, not SB-PRIME

 

Even though being a sidekick is exactly what he wanted, the kid was manipulated, he started trouble, he snapped, and gave the entire DC Universe a run for it's money.

Was imprisoned, beaten, humiliated, killed (a lot), came back with a vengeance again, then lost again.

Then saved everyone, and got his ending. A PERFECT finale for his arc, full circle arc of violence, hate, delusion, then redemption.

My question for years has been: Why couldn't that have been Supergirl? 

People have this idea in their head that she's interesting when at best she reads like a self-insert than an interesting person with a stake or belonging anywhere. 

kara should've been SB-PRIME in the first place. I would be simping for Kara at that point because her story would've been worth the hype, that's doing something with that pain and anger.

Then Supergirl would be something worth looking at and taken seriously. She becomes a Red Lantern, but ofc that doesn't stick. The more compelling Alt versions of her are not even canon. So what's the point?

So the one thing people attach to to say she's more interesting than Superman- What to ya know ANOTHER Superman did it better, damn near the same origin as her (so she's not unique in the respect that she wasn't a baby when the tragedy happened, so was Prime) and he's canon too. I'm genuinely surprised no one points this out more.

I'm impressed with Tom King's "Up in the Sky" for Supes, and i know he's got a Supergirl run out there "Woman of Tomorrow" (cringe, more coattail riding) Can't even get a tagline of her own.

But i'm going to try the first issue and see what's up. (years later & i'm still fighting to get through issue 1)

I WAS NOT impressed with her Rebirth #1, it was so basic, i almost fell asleep on my keyboard. And the cliffhanger made me bust out laughing like: "I'm supposed to want more of this shit?"

I'm going to "try" (W O M A N of Tomorrow), it's Tom King, so i genuinely hope he does something different for her. (he didn't, she ended up in a cape anyway)

I got spoiled a year back and saw she got a costume change and now looks like a 40 yr old cosplayer from the 30s, and somehow looks worse than before.

"Superwoman", ugh. The reason why Oracle & Red hood works because they're not riding Batman's theme.

They're doing their own shit, i've been saying this for years now. Supergirl doesn't work for me & clearly not in the grand scheme because she has no agency. She needs to break off and lead her own life.

The essence of Kara is she is unnecessary, she is the fat that needs to be cut off.

Superboy-Prime should have been Kara Zor-El-- the alternate Clark from another Earth, not a duplicate Kryptonian in the same fucking universe as Superman trivializing Kal surviving the tragedy at all. I have ZERO clue why people aren't catching that little detail more often.

Think about how contrived her origin is ad infinite:

Unlike evil Kryptonians like Zod who add depth & layers to Krypton's darker elements, like ghosts of the sins of the planet Kal idolizes and honors. 

Instead of that narrative hook, Kara's very existence reduces the impact of Kal surviving because she survived too, in most takes, the exact same way. 

So why is Jor-El & Lara's sacrifice a big deal, if some other jackoff had the EXACT same idea, oh btw that person just happened to be Jor-El's brother, who just happened to be a Scientist too who just happened to have the exact same idea but for some reason didn't go with Kara or at least send his wife with his daughter if the pod was big enough for a damn teenager but another woman who was no taller than Kara, could not go with her, or at least put them in stasis to save oxygen. 

Plot holes, contrivance, FANFIC tier writing, garbage.)  

No idea why WB can't get Kara's stiffy out their mouths but refuse to give Starfire or Cassie Cain the light of day, leagues better characters. Make it make sense. 

Superman: The Last Family of Krypton

Supes has a little sister in this universe, "Valora-El", instead of being "female Superman" homegirl decides to go into politics, went to Harvard, she serves her years as secretary working for a Congressman; she earns her seat as Congresswoman in the later years.

That's what i mean, by "living her own life", that shit's badass. 

Valora-El is how you Supergirl without being a knockoff, and OF COURSE she isn't canon because DC hates me sometimes. 

"What if Supergirl was a baby and not a teenager when she left Krypton? Who do you think will find her? What do you think things would be like?" - I repeat, Make Kara a Lantern

if i’d do something with her,

Ideally she’d be sole survivor in a universe without Kal (As Superman) so her very existence isnt therefore redundant like in the canon, I’d have er be raised by a species not of Earth, like the Tamaraneans, have her be Kori and Komand’rs adopted sister. Blackfire Hating Kara even more than Kori due to the parents showing the same favor to Kara as they did Kori

Tales of the New Teen Titans #4

• So not only is BlackFire 2nd to Kori despite being first born but ALSO last to the adopted kid. whomp #Seething

BlackFire would brutalize Kara in some way during their enslavement trials after Tamaran falls

So this Kara wears a permanent scar from Blackfire, their youngest brother would’ve died honorably protecting them, his life & death would be a forceful motivation for the both of them to survive

• Parents dead, & on the run from Big sis who is on her own warpath to re-take Tamaran (which is worth a series by itself)
• We get to see a sisterly dynamic with just Kori and Kara in various situations with them eventually finding refuge with the corps
• She uses her Kryptonian ship to help them get away, and find safety in a functional fortress of solitude ship in space

I always pitch this and imma pitch it again- Make Kara a Lantern, NOT red lantern because edgy teenager mad durrrr, no none of that shit. (cause if its not gonna be permanent dont waste our time then)

This is actually Earth-7129 Carol Danvers edited into a Green Lantern Kara. i like how how the armor looks.

Kara specifically finds a home & safety with the Blue Lanterns first & a means to get stronger (Blackfire would be characterized as a legit force of nature, terrifying for Kara to even think about), every fight they have she barely survives and a fellow Lantern dies, she has to get stronger. Kori does not want to be a Lantern, hangs around for some time and the two part ways so they are harder to find. Choosing to hide on earth (becoming a Teen Titan)

Kara in time cross-trains to the Green Lantern Corps later after she masters the Blue (during which she learns heaps about her Kryptonian heritage & Argo, and maybe switch it up and have Kal-El be HER father which always should have been the case vs that cousin bullshit)

• Kara would take after Corpsman Laira. One of many mentors.
• After she & Starfire go through their various development in a 2 year span (for Kori its longer due to time lapses over space time)

Kara eventually becomes the Ion of that universe after she proves to be worthy vessel for the space whale entity, no cape, no S, no KNOCKOFFS, she has her Ion crest.

• Making Sodam Yat proud, one of many of her mentors.
• This would be the visual culmination of her completion, now ready for Blackfire.

Final epic battle being the two sisters in their final forms vs Blackfire who pretty much has ruled Tamaran and single-handedly conquered the Gordanians as revenge for The Gordanians destroying Tamaran in the past, now she is using both empires combined to conquer instead of sharing prosperity. Reason being that’s where she found Starfire, and taking the planet is one more thing to take from Starfire.

And in the end Kara wouldn’t be Supergirl or a version of Superman, she has her own shit.

1. In her own league as The Ion
2. trained by the same masters that taught Starfire & Blackfire and other master lanterns & more.
3. Experience as two different Lanterns
4. Genetic augmentation so her power is amplified & mutated
5. Plus the Kryptonian upgrades

• So by the end of that 2 year span she’d only be 18 years old. All that, from slavery to decorated Lantern Duty. Began at 16 year old kid.

The entire point of this is not making her a Superman derivative yet her journey puts her on a similar powerlevel to his anyway, in many ways, a blatant rival. Between the Training, the gene augmentation, the Ion power, the Lantern ring. (As Ion, she wouldn’t need it anymore)

Karand’r would be a serious problem. If she snapped, she’d be a JL level threat.

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Just a genuine attempt to try to salvage whatever intrigue this blackhole of a character is capable of without coattailing Supes per usual.

• Divorcing her from Supermans drip as much as possible, and giving her a serious power level by taking advantage of the other aspects of DC as a universe & have her specifically use Kryptonian tech in her fightstyle and use it to rebuild ravaged worlds, creating New Kryptons in a way.

Which most writers refuse to do with this character, INNOVATION.

Her going to earth at all would happen during her years as a Green Lantern, not by her choice or even curiosity, but duty.

• No secret Identity bullshit either. She lives on Oa, successful, educated, respected. Has a career lined up when she retires from Corps duty, she has her own goddamn life divorced from Earth and Superman, who doesnt exist in that universe.

We see different sides of Starfire, a street smart Kara with an A.I Papa Kal acting as her guide to master her powers & comfort her during her steep depressions, and the experiments that gave Kori and Komand’r their others powers, Kara also suffered those experiments but more extensively because she was more resistant, so now she has Kryptonian +hence genetic augmentations mentioned earlier.

Fun stuff.

Tales of the New Teen Titans #4

• OP Kara except its not cringe because “cell density” or some vague bullshit just to say she’s stronger than Superman without her having to earn shit.🖕 This Kara would have suffered to get this powerful, trained to get that good, she’s a professional, career galactic cop that’d impress the shit out of Buzz Lightyear himself. So it feels earned when she masters all of it.
• So basically if Katara or Judge Anderson from Dredd was a cosmic Superhero

Making Kara cool for once. She’s had badass moments as Supertoken over the years, yet never once have I took this chump seriously or thought she was ever cool. Supergirl works better in concept, its why she has history but no independent legacy. None.

• If Kara was a baby blasted off into space at the moment of world boom, I’d have the Tamaranean “r” family take her in and just go from there.
• Otherwise, making her completely divorced from any mainstream established characters? Fine, have a nun from Oa raise her or something; Have her be shot into the Phantom Zone with her parents as a baby and only she made it out alive.

TL;DR Still make her a Lantern, the reason why I specifically push the Lantern angle is it covers multiple story fronts. It gives her a place to belong, a melting pot to meet a diverse array of backgrounds that can teach her soooooo much.

• And being a Corpsman would put her in ironsights of so many threats outclassing her powerlevel as a Kryptonian, tests for her to get stronger.
• For this stale piece of toast of a character, her being a Lantern does 80% of the work for me as the writer, all I gotta do at that point is just decide what the epilogue looks like and just fill up the events.
• Not re-skin Superman stories but dumb them down and put a chic in it as the main character

And no SuperCapeshit, all of this belongs to her. She’s not copping Supermans situation, Period. At best whatever references happen would be easter eggs.

For the Tamaranean pitch— It’s mainly to give Starfire a place in the plot (because Star is awesome) and that gene augmentation the two of them went through, that same procedure on a Kryptonian ??? Is interesting to me.

Karand’r in a few words would be a studious, sassy, hardheaded prick a with soft spot for kids, sad movies & animals.

She knows she’s stronger than everyone until her then augmented big sis humbles her hard (despite Kara’s own upgrades, Blackfire outclasses her & Kori put together/ Offsetting how Blackfire was considered disabled not being able to fly, now shes the apex predator of Tamaran), Komand’r puts the fear of God in Kara, then she learns (with Starfires help) how to build herself up, learns from the Lanterns how to take orders & instruction without having to run her mouth like she knows shit (she developed an ego from both being royalty, smart as shit, and one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy starting at just 5 yrs old), she matures, gets her ass kicked alot on Lantern duty, trains, trains, trains and becomes an inter-galactic reknowned leader, pioneer in the near future and one of the most powerful beings in the universe.

Her arc isn’t realizing how special she is, her arc is humbling herself and growing the hell up.

All from some lonely baby in a wandering rocket ship.

Not a pet cousin, but a warrior/princess/Commander that runs shit on her terms, whose earned respect from even the guardians (if she didnt have their respect she wouldnt have been allowed to be Ion) and Kilowog (if you know GL Lore & Kilowogs personality, that’s a big deal).

Thats a Kara I’d want to see in a goddamn Movie or animated epic.

An essential "Superboy-Prime" arc read. (Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Superman-Prime)

(It’s eerie how much he resembles Cavill from this angle.)

In some ways, if you don’t want to tread through the Infinite Crisis arc just for SB? Read this, it’s TL;DR’d in this single issue.

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Bro was an early 2000s prototype of an Evil-Superman, before the trope got worn out. He’s essentially “Chronicles” Andrew, Tetsuo, Hal Stewart, Carrie, a Peter Parker gone wrong, all combined.

Despite being a knockoff, his concept, the fall, why he snapped, and where he ended up. Holds up decent still, started with too much trauma all at once.

Saw his home erased in front of his eyes, got his emotions played on, he couldn’t cope.

Basically he’s Kara Zor-El except his reaction to the disaster is more interesting/ realistic/gritty than anything attempted with her.

Why? Because they didn’t turn him into a Superman Legacy accessory, he was the deconstruction; which is what Kara should’ve been

• Loeb’s Daughter of Darkseid angle was rushed.
• Even that Red Lantern shit ain’t got nothing on this guy’s casual hissy fits.
• Even the genocide angle in My Adventures with Lois-Chan was under cooked, cheap and rushed (as I predicted back during Season 1’s Episode 2 first aired. I KNEW they would cram her in there somehow, and I knew whatever they did, they would keep to tradition, make her the miraculous cousin *which is 13 yr old oc artist level writing* & not explore anything if they manage to have a good idea, which they did.)

Why? Because Superboy-Prime, unlike Kara Snore-El, is in a league of his own in just how he coped or lack thereof of losing everything. When people say his name, it’s an omen.

He’s not a sidekick, not a DLC, not constantly being justified by writers because there’s an inherent insecurity of the characters entire concept because they would be relevant if it weren’t for nepotism.

Why Clark-Prime works is he was never relegated to a coattail rider or side piece, even during a time when he wanted to be one. And he genuinely did, that’s the entire reason why he went to Smallville and ruined his & everyone else’s lives. Starting his fall, because he wanted Conner out of the way, he wanted to be “Superboy”, the only one.

“SUPERBOY-Prime” is a class of power & cruelty separate from the Clark we know, he’s divorced from Superman whilst trying to be Superman, so he’s not riding coattails, because he has his own, just not in the way that he preferred.

Kara never got to have that because no matter what good ideas are introduced- be it Loeb’s Superman/Batman #8’s Daughter of Darkseid concept to My Adventures with Lois-Chan’s very bold genocide angle (which is basically just Iron Giant) it's wasted. undone and tarnished.

Wasted upon waste upon waste, and WB still keeps begging normies to like her. No matter how many times they rehash the same trash, people still see it as trash, even if they like how it looks. When all DC has to do is polish Kara, clean her, overhaul and make her into something halfway decent.

SB-Prime was the class clown of super villains, but a serious problem.

The meta is he’s self-conscious about being compared to Superman, being 2nd to Superboy, and everything he does is to make a name for himself.

To make his own home by burning the world down, being seen, getting his home back; overlooking the fact that after everything he’s done, even if he got everything he wanted, would his loved ones even want anything to do with him when he returns. (example: Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds)

He reminds me of Electro from The Amazing Spider-Man 2 as well, that simmering instability; as well as “Spider-Man: The NEW Animated Series” version of Dillon, who predates Jamie’s Max, leagues worse treatment, he was treated so bad I thought he was going to off himself.

The overcompensation, his incompetence as a human being, despite being superior to most, but as a person so inferior, malnourished.

All stemming from one bad day that happened to him and a horrific day he caused for everyone else- that is what makes him interesting.

He’s not a typical victim of circumstance like Kara who just has to process, and heal, & move on, find herself, paving her own identity and all that bullshit. Just self-indulgent coddling by a narrative that spends more time flaunting what she is vs showing us where she can go as a person.

Prime is pathetic, Kara is unnecessary but a victim. She just wants to fit in somewhere, find herself (usual teen novel crap). Super boy-Prime is part of the problem, he knows it, he thinks that's a good thing because he has the power to force his will onto others & thus he does not care. That difference (despite how eerie similar their tragedies are) is why Prime is more interesting/interesting period vs her (despite all the barebones messages that she represented over the years, that Supes already embodies but in better stories) just existing as a novelty with good intentions.

He became one of the most infamous names in DC Villain continuity. Not mainstream but infamous, which is exactly how it should be, the last thing that needs to happen here is he becomes overrated in mainstream to where his very story is trivialized because of how hard WB shills & pushes the source matter, aka the Kara Snore-El treatment.

This loose cannon of a character could’ve derailed the Infinite Crisis arc, ruin it even, and ended up being a highlight.

Hell, in following years he became a lingering nuisance to everyone in-world but he was no less a threat despite how annoying he was, he would show up here in Teen Titans, then over in a Legion arc, a mention in a Shazam run, maybe he’d be mentioned elsewhere, pop up in two panels in a magic prison or something, but he was so obscure despite being such a huge problem.

Like he was the Babayaga of DC, like DC itself as a meta intelligence tried to suppress his very existence, but he just kept coming back.

Superboy-Prime Recommendations:

Read *Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Superman-Prime #1 for the TL;DR, if you don’t want to do immediate homework

1. Crisis on Infinite Earths #10 (January 1986)
2. Crisis on Infinite Earths #12 (March 1986)
3. DC Comics Presents #87 (November 1985)
4. Infinite Crisis Secret Files and Origins #1 (April 2006)
5. Infinite Crisis #1 (December 2005)
6. Infinite Crisis #4 (March 2006)
7. Infinite Crisis #6 (May 2006)
8. Infinite Crisis #7 (June 2006)
9. Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps Special #1 (August 2007)
10. Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Superman-Prime #1 (December 2007)
11. Green Lantern (Volume 4) #25 (January 2008)
12. Green Lantern Corps (Volume 2) #18 (January 2008)
13. Countdown #31 (October 2007)
14. Countdown to Final Crisis #26 (November 2007)
15. Countdown to Final Crisis #24 (November 2007)
16. Countdown to Final Crisis #14 (January 2008)
17. Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds #4 (April 2009)
18. Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds #5 (July 2009)
19. Adventure Comics (Volume 2) #4 (January 2010)
20. Teen Titans (Volume 3) #98 (July 2011)
21. Teen Titans (Volume 3) #100 (August 2011)
22. Shazam! (Volume 3) #10 (February 2020)
23. Shazam! (Volume 3) #11 (March 2020)
24. Shazam! (Volume 3) #13 (July 2020)
25. Shazam! (Volume 3) #14 (September 2020)
26. Dark Nights: Death Metal Trinity Crisis #1 (November 2020)
27. Dark Nights: Death Metal #4 (December 2020)
28. Dark Nights: Death Metal The Secret Origin #1 (February 2021)

(Underrated complexity, all I ask is DC leave him be here on & if not, do not ruin what Death Metal Secret Origin did for him.)

"What are your honest thoughts about Kara Zor-El" (Same as the canon, Kara Bore-El is a redundant, but tragic waste of potential) - My Adventures with Lois-Chan

same as the canon:

mediocre/ forced/ entire existence trivializes the miraculous- touching impact of Kal surviving at all, so really-- thanks to her, the LACK of impact of him surviving at all.

(Because most of the Kryptonian villains/extras that survive either get incarcerated, die or killed or were explained to be in the Phantom Zone anyway, so Kara is the main constant that breaks the impact of the "Last Son of Krypton" being "THE LAST", because the way she survives in PC already trivializes Kal's survival once over before her existing at all trivializes his survival twice over)

And most people miss that because most don't truly get the point of Kal's connection to Krypton's memory specifically. And neither do DC writers apparently. Style over substance.

Writers were/ & are still terrified of taking chances with Kara Bore-El & even more allergic to committing to it; god forbid doing anything interesting with this NPC avi of a character. Thats the box she's been in for the past 20 years since Superman/Batman #8, as of 2025

At face value, you could write her off as an innocent/uninspired marketing gimmick, like in the 60s, which she still is somehow- but it's different when writers try to marry her into serious storytelling. Then it gets messier.

But Loeb inserted a unique element of grit in 2004 for her (not a brand new take btw, but the way he did it was fitting for a modernization) that if committed to: could've made Kara something special, tragic & even contradictory even, in a good way. The same opportunity My Adventures, New 52 , & others had.

Even then, Loeb made some mistakes, one of which is making her his cousin again. Fan-fic tier writing, insulting even.

Now she's a basic bih anime extra in My Adventures with Lois-Chan, as I predicted the day Episode 2 of Season 1 dropped.

I knew exactly what was going to happen when they announced Season 2 before Season 1 could get comfortable, these cats truly overestimate her importance in the Superman lore. She's a part of it, not essential to it.

Now, to be fair--- I didn't see the genocide angle coming, & yet it surprised me just as much as Horikoshi's good concepts in My Hero Academia, meaning it works better as an aesthetic because that's all it amounts to.

And with that in mind-- I knew exactly what to expect: Solid concept, whack execution.

An edgy concept with wasted potential is as useful as a cup of purified water for someone drowning to death. Style over substance.

• And before her trauma could be explored or tapped into, developed, milked even: we've moved on; before this version of Kara could finally maybe raise the goddamn bar for the Supergirl ARCHETYPE as a whole, this could've been it for her & all takes to come after her- but instead they did exactly what Supergirl writers do and that's backtrack, domesticate her & maintain status quo cause that's easier to manage, it's safe.

As if the mere prospect of the genocide alone was supposed to be enough; and never mind what a revelation like that would do to a person all at once, let alone long term- the reality that their body was repeatedly ventriloquized/violated for the cause of deaths of civilizations, WHAT?!

Before she could even properly process that, here comes Lois-Chan, James & the plot, just in time to ruin the scene and prevent introspective development.

These writers can't commit or cook anything. ADHD writing since season 1, in a rush to avoid making a competent story.

It amazes me how WB can sleep on goldmines like Cassie Cain & Starfire but Supergirl gets all these chances. She's likable, yes- yet the LEAST interesting of their heroines. Super-Nepotism.

• people like the idea of kara, they love the novelty of a girl with the powers of Superman.
• Novelty. This has been the case before the century turned, however: Wasted potential, that's the most consistent element about Supergirl since the beginning. Wasted potential / Mediocrity. And that element is represented consistently in this mid show.

"Honest Thoughts"?

Kara is garbage overall, but with good intentions. The end.

But this version of Kara Snore-El specifically is a Dollar Tree attempt (keyword: "attempt") at The Iron Giant, X-23, Winter Soldier, Zuko, Cassie Cain, or even Chase from Kamen Rider Drive or accurately? SON OF DARKSEID from Superman The Animated Series (which came BEFORE Loeb's Evil Kara take in 2004) because Kara is literally nothing without Superman.

(Kara In-Ze-- well rounded attempt, easy to follow without deep homework, not Kal's cousin, outsmarted Zod/ she's clever, some missed opportunity but decent enough; still knockoff but tolerable, solid)

So if it's solid, it's solid. This Kara is not one of them, a messy, tumblr fan-fic attempt at a Supergirl and it shows in both the execution to how she looks.

Could you get anymore uninspired?

Android 18 was no total victim, she was all in for being a menace until she was the one getting hunted (Cell), which was sweet karma. But Android 18 was 1-3 of public enemies and she was neither 2 nor 3. Why can't we get a Kara that just embraces not having to be a DLC Superman? Why does she always have to be attached to this man & why does she always get thrown in universes where a Superman exists already, thus forever making her existence redundant, holy moly. I don't like the concept of this character let alone the character
on mass, period, but even I have to question why DC keeps doing that to her in mainstream.

And then they give her this little facial scar at the end of the season, ooooh she has a scar guys, really making the most of that "Adult Swim" brand lmfao.

Lightning Lad loses an entire arm in a kids show, but the best they can do here is a glorified tattoo. "Adult Swim" Cowards lol.

Otherwise, Kara consciously committing such crime because she knew what she was doing because of bad nurture vs Making it all Brainiac's doing-- takes the agency & accountability off of her (PREDICTABLE, I thought this was "ADULT SWIM", not KidsWB)

Which negates more intrigue she could've had, which is what ALWAYS happens to this character, because writers insist on PROTECTING her instead of writing her worth a crap through blisters.

Even Tom King couldn't pull it off

• For him, yet another self-discovery re-tread because thats all Kara is worth nowadays, grips constantly where her place is or purpose; the best DC can do every 9-10 years is edge bait or Kara re-learning & Re- re learning again self-help "identity" themes, because she DOESN'T organically have one. Otherwise you wouldn't need to try that hard to justify a character thats almost 100 years old.

This is why she has always been Kara BORE-EL, and it bleeds into the show.

• The show wants the money shot of Kara floating over burning city
• it wants the tease of her being an obstacle, but not entirely an enemy (because then she's not a victim)
• then it wants the tsundere kawaii "she's awkward & doesn't know how to be normal" moments to attract all the smooth brained monke's ready to adopt a new pet waifu, max cringe,
• the show wants all of that without any of the consequence or work, when that baggage, that controversy is exactly what the writer NEEDED to exploit while the iron was hot- to make this Kara the best of them all, in just under 3 episodes, if not 1.
• She could've been the best that Kara should've been since her debut in the revamp in 2004. But nope, "Style over substance." Modern Anime syndrome.

In the history books, this Kara gets points for edge (not unique, its been done already), just like her post-crisis version getting rimjobbed back in the day because Kara's more "angry" than Kal because of her memories of her home and that made her more interesting than him (Bullsh1t, no it didn't. If anything, that's actually Zod & Superboy-Prime. But nobody's tryna have that conversation)

• Otherwise, unless they did something of substance with said edge (Red lantern arc/Daughter of Brainiac) +AND COMMITTED (which they didn't), the edge is actually a strike against her, cause all it did was just set her up for being put in a status quo box, yet again.

In her defense, she was seriously robbed here, because this show's writers specifically- constantly prioritize cheap /quick payoffs over development (this literary quirk of theirs agitated me since Season 1's premiere); The show successfully modernized her (yet again) & did her zero favors anyway (yet again), when this could've been the turning point for how Supergirl should be written across all her media & DC meta, if done right. It's Adult Swim, there's zero excuse for this.

Not enough commitment & drive to mold her into something believable----ESPECIALLY if they decided to go with GENOCIDE of all things....they didn't have to take it there but they did, now they don't wanna do the work in the season relevant to the matter THEY themselves chose to introduce. Sloppy, hence the series.

tl;dr As she is now is what she's always been, mid/redundant/wasted potential/forced/robbed/& forced

Too much protection & "not her fault" syndrome- to get anything interesting / or legitimate done.