Saturday, December 20, 2025

re: " Is Susan Storm a scientist?" - Susan Storm's occupation retcon (aug 2024)

Excellent question, apparently she is now. More subtle in 1610 because that wasn't a retcon, that was the point.



Cause I swear she was a fashion designer or a model in 616 (edit: She had a brief time as an Actress, originally, which Is cool), kinda wish they go back to those roots seeing how even now, Sue doesn't lean into the hero scene like Johnny does. So why not go back to what is ALREADY established.



Otherwise She's rambling on about pocket universes being her "pillow talk" in VOL6 #48, and she does NOT sound like Sue:


Sooo while OT Sue was vanilla, she had personality. Now she's not even her own character anymore, she's just Reed lite with more sass, because "equality" to some writers means a mirror match. 

  • Because she heard him talk about theories in bed and somehow without so much as an Associates in the study, she somehow understands it. Riiiiiiight, okay.
  • They didnt need to turn her into an offshot of him to make her his equal, nor to make her more competent. That's the issue. They "Scienced" her to promote her stake, and it's shallow.


Cause I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case pre-Civil War. Don't quote me


overtone being women in the science is paramount, despite what most human women are ACTUALLY interested in on mass. (spoiler alert: It is not STEM. Hence why you don't see that Girls in Stem propaganda as much anymore, they gave up because girls don't care and will make their own decisions. #Respect) ๐Ÿงช๐Ÿงซ


The lack of nuance in that regard is just sheer pandering (pandering to who? Don't ask me. I don't fucking know bud), and lack of competence.


Why lack of competence? Cause there's more than one avenue of "smartness", you need a degree of competence to know that you don't have to condense women/characters into a universal standard of all being the same type of scientist or intelligent or attitude for them to be "smart".


See Sandy Cheeks was always a buttkicking Scientist, they didnt retcon her into one in Season 7 because "the times" say girls cant have any interests differing from the "right /correct interests", she's a subversion done right.



In fact Sue being plugged into the celeb or business showbiz scene as a BUSINESS presence vs Johnny's showboating, would not only harken to her roots, but make more sense seeing how she is the boss of the team (always has been the most mature of the bunch in terms of decision making) and thus technically always has been the chief in a sense. So why not be where you'd have connections to philanthropy, finance backing or networking.


Don't have to be behind a desk to run shit, but you see, this is how some view women being "in charge"; Zero scope or moreso, lack of diverse life experience to even think of such avenues.


Do these writers not realize theres more professions for women/that women do in the world besides "The Science", granted its likely most women don't read comics enough to even pick up on a retcon like this (good on the sisters for having better things to do):


For me, just have her be an architect; since she can shape her constructs with her mind right? lead her down a career/ a passion where she could take advantage of her powers, where she can shape anything she wants,exercise that muscle to where she's getting stronger with more intricate designs, strengthening her focus capability while making money, and expands FF real estate. And revolutionize how NewYork builds future cities aka a pioner in her own field, aka: USE YOUR IMAGINATION Writers, think. Ladies don't have to be geniuses to be brilliant or change the world, & if you are, go kickass. That's a much better overtone. So much better.


Either women have to vomit pretentious Scientific mumbo jumbo, or be "the" at something or else they dont exist. Nice.


Can't be an actress and be a hero, "Activist" sounds more current. (FF VOL6 #47)


I really, really hate that crap, not that she's smart (I'd hope she picked something up after all these years), but there's more realms of being smart that's so underrepresented.


L Lawliet is smart but the guy doesn't have a beaker laboratory, that's not his realm of intelligence; that's Dexter, that's Sandy, that's Banner.


And again they didnt need to do that to make her more useful, nor to make her smart, nor to make her capable. Painful lack of imagination.


In trying to make her more utility able, you turn her into a dated schtick- even more than what she was back then, because at least back then her stake was authetic & genuine aka coming from the creators and not some torch bearers.


In fact her not being as IQ savvy, a normie and still keeping up with "Reed-A-Book" Richards as a partner (general), wife, mother, business peer, superhero Co-captain/captain would be even MORE impressive if she was a regular showbiz tycoon; Just happens to be one of the most powerful characters in her universe (And trust and believe, she is, that's non-debatable**)- that is actually more impressive than rambling on about pocket universes being your "pillow talk", cause anything less is possible heresy to the dominating narrative in the workplace, Christ.


Writers in general really need to let go of the 'Women in science' fetish and let some actual diversity of interest in, cause this seems to be specific to the ladies. As far as I see, I don't scope this move happening to Johnny or Ben.


Are they spontaneous geniuses now?



Otherwise this wouldn't be that deep if they weren't retconning in order to do this, if they cleverly fit it in, fine. But lke this, I ask what are you compensating for?


Same goes for those hax abilities of hers & the realistic labeling to make it sound legit when it's borderline magic, it reads less like she earned the expanded strengths of the abilities with training & homework vs the inherent nature of her power is what always carries her & damn near unbeatable: which is weaker for characterization, why? I kid you not-- Superman has more weaknesses than Sue Storm does.๐Ÿ‘️๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘️



 TL;DR the writing is booty, Sue deserves authenticity, ten-fold.


Surprised they didn't turn Walters into a string theory Professor yet, A Lawyer? Pffft. Women aren't Lawyers, ๐ŸŒˆThe Science however๐ŸŒˆ 

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