Miles isn’t bad, just overrated (2022)

”wild to me”, as in how could you not like him

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Mind you they’re leaving out continuity, origin differences, the fact some aren't mantles but actual RANKS (GL), Fate/Nabu is more an Entity than a mantle. (debatable, yes)

Barry to Jay is Jim Hammond Human Torch to Johnny Storm’s Torch- existed in different times

• Hammond was an Allies soldier

• Johnny is a modern Superhero whose power is cosmic in isolation

Leaving out context to make a moot point.

I was there day one Miles’ story began, and i loyally bought his stuff.

He ain’t all that, the main selling point is the cultural modernization that he represents, he’s an urban, black Spider-man and that’s mainly why people latch onto him.

• Not that he’s in anyway compelling or interesting in a unique sense, cause he is an individual person, but the urban aesthetic mainly is what people fell in love with. And that’s 100% fine-

• But it’s when you start deflecting that fact and start acting like people have an issue when they don’t like him and you just can’t for the life of you understand “why why why, don’t you like him” vs other knockoffs:

Mind you, i’m probably one of the lesser yet avid Supergirl criticizers on the net, and i’m not even talking about the show, that’s too easy, comics 100%. That requires research.

So there’s no double standard, Kara Zor El is a blue eyed blond haired girl next door archetype cosplaying as Superman, her entire appeal is to get women into the lore as the obligatory “put a chick in it after the male character did all the hard work to make the name popular” but she ended up being taken in by straight men as a fanbase, majorly.

Why?

• Because she’s got a dynamic character arc? (She’s had some decent runs, nothing phenomenal)

• An arc that at one point changed the landscape of DC?

• Her tragic downward spiral of self-destruction and wrapped up in a beautiful act of redemption & sacrifice?

NOPE that would be someone else, who i often WISH was Supergirl in the first fucking place.

But despite Clark Kent-PRIME being a better character (in concept, not the best characterization compared to Supertoken, but his arc was solid), somehow hasn’t gotten a single chance in the animated media.

Young JUSTICE didn’t choose him. They chose Kara to end off S4, because we haven’t had enough of her the past 15 years, she’s so deep like that.

And yes: The most you can say is she more trauma due to her actually knowing Krypton, having friends, her family or seeing it explode-

But the premise of her entire origin is why she doesn’t work. Jor-El just happened to have a brother who just HAPPENED to be a scientist who just HAPPENED to have the same exact idea (not trivializing Kal’s survival at all) to save his daughter & not himself or at least get his wife and daughter away safely.

No just copy & paste. So Superman miraculously has a cousin, the COUSIN trope.

Kara Bore-El is a Fanfic OC made canon.

Her being an angry/edge-lord sometimes doesn’t mean she’s interesting- solely because they don’t DO anything with that anger or trauma and or they don’t commit to it. (Red Lantern Kara)

You know who’s trauma DC used to make an interesting story (excuse me) SAGA, an interesting SAGA? Superboy-PRIME.

I DIGRESS

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As you can tell, i cannot stand her despite her innate general appeal. Why? Writing, purpose, originality, DC forcing her desperately, purpose and lack thereof.

The takes of Kara that land, FOR ME, are the ones that say or do something different from the version mainline canon, and allow her to be her own thing off of Clarks coattails in some way, minor or major.

*DC Nuclear Winter Kara Zor El, i like her.

And the fact that she’s a cutesie R63, usually. Is the only reason why she remained relevant for this long, same with Powergirl, up until people literally forgetting she existed because her contribution to the picture was big tits and a little bit of ego.

Injusitce 2 brought her back, attitude and all.....aaaand then she went back into obscurity, nobody gave a shit after 2 weeks. WHO saw that coming?

Same with Miles, token. Token-Morales

Miles not bad, not a bad kid, not the worst take on Spider-man. Just overrated.

Kara is cool enough kid, she’s just unnecessary.

Some people need to just admit what they like about them is the aesthetic surrounding them both, and stop pretending we just don’t get what it is that’s wrong with other people regarding Morales specifically.

Cause i guarantee you majority of people stanning this kid has NEVER read that issue where he fought that nobody villain: Kangaroo- which is technically where his first fight as a masked hero began.

And yes, I was on that shit when it dropped.

Doesn’t mean you have to read every single issue to speak on the matter (Because i need to catch up on some of his stories myself), but the point is with all this support for this character or even Kara Snore-EL, how invested are you really in this boy beyond what’s fed to you by Hollywood or what zeitgeist says you’re supposed to feel vs what he or she have actually done on their own.

• It means: Do you actually give a shit? Are you invested, or are you just talking & going through the motions.

It means don’t act stupid for the sake of feigning confusion when you know exactly what’s up.

Like he should be or has to be liked and anything less is a problem or something.

Most people big him up because he’s a POC Spider-Man, period.

If they (Marvel/Bendis) had any balls they would’ve made Miles more like Kaine, give him some anger issues & do something with it, make him a Spider-Man Foil.

Or SOME kind of major flaw that made him having powers a serious problem- and how he uses his powers, is different enough from Peter in sheer application to where he’s not your average Spider-Man by just how he moves.

Because Prowler Miles is what I’ve been needing, that’s an interesting story right there.

No Quirk, but running shit anyway.

Like Deku & Allmight having roughly the same power, initially, but Deku uses his strengths so differently by S2-S3, he literally moves & fights nothing like All Might anymore. He’s his own aesthetic.

Even Full Cowling isn’t something Allmight’s really known for or any of the Vestige, it’s a visual distinction between Deku and the rest.

And that’s one of few things i can actually praise of the franchise without a complaint.

That should’ve been Miles.

And no, some sparky fingers ain’t unique cause Jessica was doing that shit decades before Miles was a concept, but nobody talks about that tho. Venom Blast is not a new thing people.

The Invisible Woman shit? Sure i’ll give him that i guess. It’s pretty cool. But again, SUSAN been on it too!

Moreso this alternate Miles’ arc is moreso learning the values of a hero in his own way, at his own pace, while maintaining enough moral differences from Parker to be a different situation.

• Say he’s 18 when he gets his power, slightly older than when Peter got his,14-15.

• Have the first 9-12 months be him using his powers for himself, a “fuck the world” attitude, make em a wannabe sociopath- until he does something deathly serious in a fit of rage or self defense, that he can’t undo and regrets for the rest of his career.

Anything like that would’ve been more compelling.

You can’t tell me that doesn’t sound like a more interesting story, i didn’t say “better”, i said “interesting.”

Not just Peter Parker but recolored.

Again, I was there since the beginning, 2012, day one i was buying Morales comics “Because he looked liked me”, as a youngin I bought that “representation” kool-aid people swear on their Mama’s mama is so goddamn important- and guess what, I was NOT impressed. Miles was boring, and buying those issues for such a stupid reason, it made me wonder I was a lame as the goddamn character.

What did I do? Took my black ass right back to better characters lmfao.

• The staying power wasn’t there, the justification of his looking like me (and yes he looked just like me) WAS NOT enough to warrant long term investment because while he did look like me, Miles was NOT me. Period.

• I liked that both his parents were alive, ofc they weren’t an entirely black family unit, of course.

• But i liked his pops, Jefferson being a cop. His mom was good peoples, and what happened to her was...something.

• But the kid overall was boring, he didn’t speak to me, he just mirrored my melanin, big fucking deal.

Lo and behold, just looking like a person isn’t enough to justify staying power, who knew? Just being black doesn’t mean i relate to you, who knew?

That was the day i realized, true “Representation” is NOT skin deep. It’s about character, who you are as a person. Period.

Between Kaine and Morales, it’s not even a Contest.

One has enough distinctions moral & mental to be a completely separate franchise and SHOULD'VE been in movies by now, R Rated ofc.

And the other is just a glorified What If DLC.

But ofc guess who gets a honorable mention, twice in the MCU. The Black Spider-Man ofc:

• Because he’s compelling, interesting, a long standing character in the Spider-man lore?

No that’s KAINE, hell i’m still looking for Madam Web’s respect, on god..

I’m STILL waiting for MAYDAY (rightful heir to the mask) to get her big break! The fact that Miles was able to skip the line in front of her, is insane to me.

Miles is likely going get to the MCU first before BEN, Web, Mayday and KAINE combined, because he’s the black Spidey.

Again, you can like him if you want, but don’t pretend for a second why people don’t like him is some mystery.

Miles looks exactly like me, i repeat and i cannot stand him as a concept- i gravitate to Venom, Kaine, Miguel, Spider-Man NOIR, Mayday, etc.

And Miguel is technically the POC Spider-man BEFORE Morales, half Mexican, but Miles is black+latino in current day, so let’s just forget all about O’Hara until some corny Spiderverse movie makes him relevant again in the post credit scene, now everyone’s going to love Miguel because he’s going to be in the next movie.

Mapping out the main reason i can’t stand normies sometimes, bandwagon mentality.

And it sucks cause we got him in Ultimate Spiderman XD, Edge of Time, Shattered Dimensions, so the man had some momentum getting off the pages. So what was the hold up with getting this cat in a movie? Or a Mini series like TNAS Spider-man most people forgot?

Miguel is a legit cool dude, careerman, sly, very different aesthetic, different time, different Spider-man. He is NOT Parker, trust me.

Miguel O’Hara should’ve been gotten his own show or movie. And on that note, that obscure underwritten Spider-man Unlimited, was a Spider-man 2099 cartoon that didn’t know or it 100% knew it was trying to be 2099

But our boy Miles gets to skip the goddamn line in front of established more interesting characters that have done their time since before the Century turned, get mentions in the MCU and 2 animated movies, if that’s not AA energy i don’t know what is.

NOW THAT’S wild to me.

The subtle detail of Thanos facing the sun and turning his back to it. (Infinity War- Endgame)

"I like how Thanos just sits down and accepts his defeat at the end. It shows how he knew that it was pointless to fight back at the end and just let it happen"

"If you rewatch beggining of Infinity War, Thanos says so himself during his monologue : "I know what it’s like to loose. It turns your legs to jelly" that’s why he sits when he sees he lost and it’s only a matter of seconds before he vanishes away"

Someone nameless years ago pointed out how his IW self won, he faced the sun at the end of the movie and his younger less realized self, more arrogant self, when he lost he sat with his back to the sun. I would only add that in IW, he specifically faced the rising sun, the light shone on his victory he earned. A victory he won without an army. Here, the sun fell & descended on his defeat.

The sun rose and fell, this younger Thanos didn't sacrifice anything to win, so he didnt deserve to win.

Supergirl: ALL his powers, none of what makes him interesting. Not in the slightest. (original post : 2023)

 ugh, that dialogue just maps out what her problem is.

All his powers, none of his legitimacy.

Some articles want to argue that her having memory of Krypton and dealing with it being gone makes it more interesting than Superman.

Seems desperate, if one difference is what you're going with and that only works IN CONCEPT when you actually do something with that.

I repeat, the concept alone doesn't make her interesting you have to actually DO SOMETHING with it- and not retcon it in 4 years.

Kill her, have her death mean something then bring the bimbo to life anyway to just "exist", that's not doing anything, that's using her as a novelty, which is all she is.

Point being, there's another knockoff with the exact same premise as SupergirlNextDoor, but somehow ended being more interesting than Supergirl even as she's had decades of history on him:

SUPERBOY-PRIME

Dude's entire Universe, not one Planet, his UNIVERSE. was erased like a scent in the wind. Gone forever.

Did he become a by the numbers cheap knockoff sidekick? Hopping from team to team, looking for any ounce of relevance in the shadow of the original article? Writers galore wanting to carve an identity discovery narrative for this same character over & over again because they know she has no identity, so the constant theme is she has to find herself or get out of Supermans shadow because that shadow is why she's relevant in any respect. Eternal inferiority complex.

Nope, thats Kara, not SB-PRIME

 

Even though being a sidekick is exactly what he wanted, the kid was manipulated, he started trouble, he snapped, and gave the entire DC Universe a run for it's money.

Was imprisoned, beaten, humiliated, killed (a lot), came back with a vengeance again, then lost again.

Then saved everyone, and got his ending. A PERFECT finale for his arc, full circle arc of violence, hate, delusion, then redemption.

My question for years has been: Why couldn't that have been Supergirl? 

People have this idea in their head that she's interesting when at best she reads like a self-insert than an interesting person with a stake or belonging anywhere. 

kara should've been SB-PRIME in the first place. I would be simping for Kara at that point because her story would've been worth the hype, that's doing something with that pain and anger.

Then Supergirl would be something worth looking at and taken seriously. She becomes a Red Lantern, but ofc that doesn't stick. The more compelling Alt versions of her are not even canon. So what's the point?

So the one thing people attach to to say she's more interesting than Superman- What to ya know ANOTHER Superman did it better, damn near the same origin as her (so she's not unique in the respect that she wasn't a baby when the tragedy happened, so was Prime) and he's canon too. I'm genuinely surprised no one points this out more.

I'm impressed with Tom King's "Up in the Sky" for Supes, and i know he's got a Supergirl run out there "Woman of Tomorrow" (cringe, more coattail riding) Can't even get a tagline of her own.

But i'm going to try the first issue and see what's up. (years later & i'm still fighting to get through issue 1)

I WAS NOT impressed with her Rebirth #1, it was so basic, i almost fell asleep on my keyboard. And the cliffhanger made me bust out laughing like: "I'm supposed to want more of this shit?"

I'm going to "try" (W O M A N of Tomorrow), it's Tom King, so i genuinely hope he does something different for her. (he didn't, she ended up in a cape anyway)

I got spoiled a year back and saw she got a costume change and now looks like a 40 yr old cosplayer from the 30s, and somehow looks worse than before.

"Superwoman", ugh. The reason why Oracle & Red hood works because they're not riding Batman's theme.

They're doing their own shit, i've been saying this for years now. Supergirl doesn't work for me & clearly not in the grand scheme because she has no agency. She needs to break off and lead her own life.

The essence of Kara is she is unnecessary, she is the fat that needs to be cut off.

Superboy-Prime should have been Kara Zor-El-- the alternate Clark from another Earth, not a duplicate Kryptonian in the same fucking universe as Superman trivializing Kal surviving the tragedy at all. I have ZERO clue why people aren't catching that little detail more often.

Think about how contrived her origin is ad infinite:

Unlike evil Kryptonians like Zod who add depth & layers to Krypton's darker elements, like ghosts of the sins of the planet Kal idolizes and honors. 

Instead of that narrative hook, Kara's very existence reduces the impact of Kal surviving because she survived too, in most takes, the exact same way. 

So why is Jor-El & Lara's sacrifice a big deal, if some other jackoff had the EXACT same idea, oh btw that person just happened to be Jor-El's brother, who just happened to be a Scientist too who just happened to have the exact same idea but for some reason didn't go with Kara or at least send his wife with his daughter if the pod was big enough for a damn teenager but another woman who was no taller than Kara, could not go with her, or at least put them in stasis to save oxygen. 

Plot holes, contrivance, FANFIC tier writing, garbage.)  

No idea why WB can't get Kara's stiffy out their mouths but refuse to give Starfire or Cassie Cain the light of day, leagues better characters. Make it make sense. 

Superman: The Last Family of Krypton

Supes has a little sister in this universe, "Valora-El", instead of being "female Superman" homegirl decides to go into politics, went to Harvard, she serves her years as secretary working for a Congressman; she earns her seat as Congresswoman in the later years.

That's what i mean, by "living her own life", that shit's badass. 

Valora-El is how you Supergirl without being a knockoff, and OF COURSE she isn't canon because DC hates me sometimes. 

"USE YOUR WORDS- "Mid" Is Just A Way To Make GOOD Things Seem BAD" - Superman 25 is not bad & neither good, it's mediocrity. It's a nothing burger.

"Mid" literally means mediocre, neutral. Neutral is neither or.

"Mid means good" is lowering the bar, typical NPC low maintenance consumer crap.

A Nothing burger, thats Superman25 just like My Adventures with Lois-Chan, which it unfortunately took notes from down to the costume & the Krypton invader beats. Another modern Superman take with good intentions, and overall shite take because it got caught up in the destination instead of the journey & execution of it's supposed message.

The movie has fun moments but a movie isn't just moments, it's consistency, it's narrative, it's focus, it's the source material. The movie is standard Gunn-Schlock because unfortunately he both wrote & directed it AND HEADs the DCU, which means no one checks his quirks & antics.

Superman 25' had good intentions, but it's a mess, it's not bad enough to be dogshit but it's not competent or coherent enough to be "good", so lets not start this anime fan regressive crap mentality where as long as it's not 1/10, that means it's good.

Don't even start lowering the bar, not with Superman.

Cause that just signals to James that he doesn't have to do better than the bare minimum he's been doing since his Marvel arc.

We're getting to the point where we'll call a fun, innocent D- movie a A+ just to spite the people who are reluctant to admit it's not an F.

Two sides of the same neophyte, playing into the same nonsense. It's forced as hell.

"Genuine thoughts on superman vs the elite?" - Joe Kelly gets Superman '-are you the Superman that the 21st Century needs?'

After watching the sterilized MOS Snyder & Goyer shat out and that slightly less depressing yet well-intentioned, headache, mess of a film Gunn gifted upon the world as of late in '25, and that amateur as hell My Adventures show Wyatt vomited on the script--

Superman vs The Elite by Joe Kelly (same guy that wrote the original Action Comics #775) is still top 2 best modern Superman takes we've gotten in motion media since the turn of the century. And top 3 best Superman movies including live action standards, the other being The Death of Superman 2018, #1 being the obvious candidate.

And it's funny cause 2013 is when Ultraman of Steel dropped, and it was a few months after that film is when I fortunately found this film.

No origin story here, Superman is on the world stage, so much so he's given the mic in the actual United Nations to address his moral code and the possible issues with his beliefs, which was a consistent throughline in the entire movie, challenging Superman's ideals on a global scale.

Keyword being: Consistent (which is what Gunn should've done instead of hop-scotching from plot point to plot point)

The use of Supes' powers is all here, he's not some depressing, melancholy, deadpan Jesus narrative who truly had no business being in the suit before being properly trained or given a legit reason to even be Superman. He's not a melodramatic, emotional man-child with good intentions, good heart but can't handle a disagreement with his girlfriend, and apparently can't catch a W for himself unless his opponent is literally AFK or rescued by a dog, which makes him look weak af.

This Superman has a strong moral compass, disagrees with Lois with grace & humility on the topic of executing far-gone opponents and can stand his ground without being disrespectful, throwing tantrums or borderline threatening. He smiles, he has presence, he's corny af, strong as shit, reliable, qualified: Superman. Like 2025, Lois knows his secret, they're already a couple, no time wasted there, which i appreciate in both movies. We even got the damn robots in this movie lol too.

How old fashioned he is interacting with the new school "The Elite", how edgy they are, how screwed up & grimy they are, their methods, it's interesting watching two generations clash in just how they wrestle on dealing with criminals.

And all of this is without mentioning that godtier trolling he did to the entire world at the end of the movie, showing just 0.000000.1% of his true power that no live-action movie has come close to yet.

**The entire reason why this movie works is it's a genuine modern Superman movie without having to be "modern", a movie that \*gets the point of Superman\*, that's it. Joe Kelly gets Superman.**

* And one of the reasons why Supes' stance works in this movie specifically is because he's not infallible, there's a moment when after he beats Atomic Skull, Supes is staring him down with his fist raised & trembling, tempted to just end this dude. Showing that despite Supes' adamant position, he's still human and feels what we all do, but it's a discipline to stay on the path to be a better example. **The fact is, he's not above the temptation, he's not perfect, he's not boring because Superman feels those natural impulses when agitated. That's why the narrative works.**

I watched the movie with the guy's commentary on my 5th time watching this movie, and it's amazing how much he gets it.

If Gunn had any sense he would've stood tf back, let Matthew Vaughn direct and rightfully let Joe Kelly write the film himself.

Superman vs The Elite has the same exact standing as The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 & even Wonder Woman '09, those movies execute the story in a concise way simultaneously while getting the characters right in ways most of the recent live action movies never did & in Supermans case-- likely never will.

It's just something about DC & their some of their animated movies that just gets it right. I've noticed it for years now, it's insane. They need to lean into their strengths and let go of the live action cinematic scene.

The other take that's miraculously a great modern Superman that is definitely not that horrendous My Adventures with Lois-Chan tumblrina vomit, but instead the DCAU Superman from TAS to JLU, comics included. Great take, shows Supes highs & especially his attitudes, even including a Kara Snore-El that I can somehow tolerate, which is a statement in itself, well done on their part.

Difference is, it's amazing how much this one film (despite how much of Action Comics #775 was changed to translate to the film) gets it in just one shot anyway.

Only issue I've got really (besides some of the omissions of #775) is how the character designs overall look, but It's not El Cid levels of wonky, so I've gotten used to it and it doesn't mess with the writing; it's just an aesthetic gripe. The style is simple and the animation's pretty good.

Otherwise I've watched this movie more times than 78', it's a decent movie & better as a Superman movie.

Skimming through Superman '25 & the first thing that stood out is how tf are humans keeping up with Supes' combat speed on key inputs. No quantum computers etc.

Skimming through Superman '25 & the first thing that stood out is how tf are humans keeping up with Supes' combat speed on key inputs. No quantum computers etc.

They're not cyborgs, just humans playing a video game lol. Reminded me of that Sovereign chase in GOTG2.

if they wrote it that they used Brainiac/ Brother eyes processing speed as a medium to equalize the perception of time for the puppeteers, so that the combat speed is neutralized, fine.

Aside from the speed gripe, If Supes was holding back to appeal to the clone himself (which surprisingly wasn't exploited more, not even to explore his 'everyone/everything is beautiful' theme; he saves a squirrel, but doesn't think to fight to appeal to/save a literal slave? Oops?) but if he did, that would be why he allowed the beating-that's one thing.

But after he needed doggo to save him---

where tf was all of this when clone was washing him!? lmfao

The "avatar" could only be as fast as their command relay transmissions, and that's AFTER Lex tells them what to do which is seconds spent. So their inputs keeping up at all was funky.

Lex yelling "1A"? command was hilarious, thats what gave away the realtime issue. So to be fair, even a cyborg (hax reflex or even if the nanomachines injected into someones brain) is not enough to keep up with nerf Superman via key inputs to remote control an organic drone. Like Snyder, if they weren't playing on it so seriously at times, i would've wrote it off as a comic-ism like Donner & Lesters style.

picture it: a white belt who started yesterday knows all the moves of experienced UFC fighter who's been fighting for 16 years. Now consider how pointless it is to prepare 2500 moves against someone with superspeed lmfao.

Still love that "1A!" popoff tho😂ONE A! ONE A! 1NE A!!!!

Otherwise the hand to hand action for the most part looks ok, good camera work even if the cgi is a bit whiff at times, Gunn was smart to carry over his GOTG vol.3 action chops.

"What are some reasons why people might hate original characters (OCs), and what makes an OC bad writing-wise?"

• Ironically some Oc are not original
• They're obnoxious
• Not interesting
• Too many
• Mary sue
• Cringe
• Self-Inserts, Its about Ego 100%, for most.

Most people use Oc's as a form of wish fulfillment, not genuine storytelling. Genuine storytelling, which is what would elevate a lot of these characters. Branding.

They're not saying anything storywise. Its just a matter of someone bringing attention to themselves amidst a life they have no control over, power fantasy: which can be a recipe of something relatable for others to connect with, the key is execution and restraint of inserting too much of yourself into the formula.

One way or another, they project themselves in the mix to manufacture central importance, it’s a form of narcissism, but it’s natural (namely for adolescent children with social deficits); social media, wanting to win sports, Oc’s, wanting to be seen, everyone does it eventually.

• To tell a story is not a person deriving some inter-dimensional knowledge from Dimension-X, it’s essentially people channeling their own experience into a story, pieces of themselves & others is the story. It’s inevitable. Projection in isolation is not a problem, it’s why some of the best icons in pop culture exist:







• The key is moderation and putting your ego on the top shelf and prioritizing the narrative over yourself. If there even is a narrative, sometimes the point of the oc is they literally are the story, which is where the stifling “Main character syndrome” effect can come into play.

Because rarely is the most important character separate from who the author is in some way, ESPECIALLY if we’re talking about teenagers or people with low-esteem.

Where their flaws are virtues, never wrong, too confident, almost everything goes their way, damn near everyone likes them, in control in conversations/situations unnaturally— Average modern Isekai protagonist/Anime self-insert/ Western Woke Mary Sue archetype/ Average OC essentially

Too many Oc lack complexity, or possess serious issues that are played on as an opportunity to set up a journey for the character or a downfall with no return. Narrative parallels, themes, through lines, perhaps a commentary.

Not expecting a 12 yr old to exercise any of this, but OC’s in general regardless of age, do in deed lack these elements to make an oc “complex”. Doesn’t have to be complicated either.

You could make an OC complex in one comic sequence and never show them again, & leave it at that. It happens all the time in Short films. Take more notes from that & Indie games, playing video games broadens your scope.

Think of a simple tale like Earthbound or Little nightmares 2, short films like “Yardbird” or LISA the Painful/ or LISA the JOYFUL (female mc’s that don’t exist solely to be pieces of meat).

Those are very simple stories with simple characters, style is simple, and the narrative is very simple while the characters are complex, within a world that is very very ugly despite how cartoonish it is or it can light hearted with some epic elements with quirky comedy like Earthbound.

For VG the narrative is often implemented into gameplay to tell a story, a tragedy or a triumph. World building, goals, the end.

Not every OC needs to be part of an epic, but an OC needs more going for em than just a bio- if you want them to not be typical.

• Mind you, there’s a difference between Self-Insert and OC, it’s just that most people use their OC as self-inserts. Oc is just an original character, an OC that’s just an extra you based off of some random dude on the bus you found interesting from a distance, is not a self-insert
• A Self-insert is specifically design to be the author direct conduit into the world, where they tend to be the special snowflake, not a special snowflake, but “THE” special snowflake.



Again, reason why some/many Oc fall flat out the gate is because they're blatantly a projection based off of something, usually overcompensation, ego, or a favorite media of the author, and there’s very few additions or alterations to the Oc or it’s over-designed and obnoxious, creativity vs just a mascot that looks like visual vomit: ie. average VTuber avi

For most forms of bad writing in modern day stems from agenda, bad execution, projection, defiance, politics, spite, or lack of vision, or lack of life experience.

This agenda being: People just want to be the main character in their own world of fiction, where they control who is special and who isn’t.

“People just want to be the main character in their own world of fiction, where they control who is special and who isn’t.” - The essence of OC’s (Original characters)

All stemming from a real world where nobody is special, where you are not the main character. To some extent, I respect people that wait until they’re in an appropriate setting to make themselves the mc in fiction vs people IRL who create nothing and truly believe they are THE main character.



With an oc, rarely is anyone NOT self-inserting, for writing when you’re in the zone, it’s subconscious as to what you’re putting on the notes being of self or a general share. Seldom to people avoid making their self-insert the most special person in some way or not the central focus.

Most people fall into this naturally & some grow out of it, especially since teenagers usually make oc's more frequently because they want to be seen.

By adulthood is when you've adjusted (or you should have) & make stories about characters separate from you. But a lot adults still use Oc's as a proxy, and it shows.

• That’s some of what people hate about it.

Those are some reasons. Oc's lack nuance, usually stereotypes and clichés that just exist to be a profile/bio aesthetic, meaning some exist literally to be a character sheet with information attached to it: Zodiac sign and everything. Or a mouthpiece, propaganda mascot, etc.

But I like it at the same time, for the most part, because it gives people an outlet. Some won’t get it, some won’t know the difference, but you just gotta trust that enough people’s life experience will naturally take them to a place to where they don’t have to feel like the main character to be seen or comfortable in their own skin amidst the realtime meta-story that is in fact: Real life.

"What if Supergirl was a baby and not a teenager when she left Krypton? Who do you think will find her? What do you think things would be like?" - I repeat, Make Kara a Lantern

if i’d do something with her,

Ideally she’d be sole survivor in a universe without Kal (As Superman) so her very existence isnt therefore redundant like in the canon, I’d have er be raised by a species not of Earth, like the Tamaraneans, have her be Kori and Komand’rs adopted sister. Blackfire Hating Kara even more than Kori due to the parents showing the same favor to Kara as they did Kori

Tales of the New Teen Titans #4

• So not only is BlackFire 2nd to Kori despite being first born but ALSO last to the adopted kid. whomp #Seething

BlackFire would brutalize Kara in some way during their enslavement trials after Tamaran falls

So this Kara wears a permanent scar from Blackfire, their youngest brother would’ve died honorably protecting them, his life & death would be a forceful motivation for the both of them to survive

• Parents dead, & on the run from Big sis who is on her own warpath to re-take Tamaran (which is worth a series by itself)
• We get to see a sisterly dynamic with just Kori and Kara in various situations with them eventually finding refuge with the corps
• She uses her Kryptonian ship to help them get away, and find safety in a functional fortress of solitude ship in space

I always pitch this and imma pitch it again- Make Kara a Lantern, NOT red lantern because edgy teenager mad durrrr, no none of that shit. (cause if its not gonna be permanent dont waste our time then)

This is actually Earth-7129 Carol Danvers edited into a Green Lantern Kara. i like how how the armor looks.

Kara specifically finds a home & safety with the Blue Lanterns first & a means to get stronger (Blackfire would be characterized as a legit force of nature, terrifying for Kara to even think about), every fight they have she barely survives and a fellow Lantern dies, she has to get stronger. Kori does not want to be a Lantern, hangs around for some time and the two part ways so they are harder to find. Choosing to hide on earth (becoming a Teen Titan)

Kara in time cross-trains to the Green Lantern Corps later after she masters the Blue (during which she learns heaps about her Kryptonian heritage & Argo, and maybe switch it up and have Kal-El be HER father which always should have been the case vs that cousin bullshit)

• Kara would take after Corpsman Laira. One of many mentors.
• After she & Starfire go through their various development in a 2 year span (for Kori its longer due to time lapses over space time)

Kara eventually becomes the Ion of that universe after she proves to be worthy vessel for the space whale entity, no cape, no S, no KNOCKOFFS, she has her Ion crest.

• Making Sodam Yat proud, one of many of her mentors.
• This would be the visual culmination of her completion, now ready for Blackfire.

Final epic battle being the two sisters in their final forms vs Blackfire who pretty much has ruled Tamaran and single-handedly conquered the Gordanians as revenge for The Gordanians destroying Tamaran in the past, now she is using both empires combined to conquer instead of sharing prosperity. Reason being that’s where she found Starfire, and taking the planet is one more thing to take from Starfire.

And in the end Kara wouldn’t be Supergirl or a version of Superman, she has her own shit.

1. In her own league as The Ion
2. trained by the same masters that taught Starfire & Blackfire and other master lanterns & more.
3. Experience as two different Lanterns
4. Genetic augmentation so her power is amplified & mutated
5. Plus the Kryptonian upgrades

• So by the end of that 2 year span she’d only be 18 years old. All that, from slavery to decorated Lantern Duty. Began at 16 year old kid.

The entire point of this is not making her a Superman derivative yet her journey puts her on a similar powerlevel to his anyway, in many ways, a blatant rival. Between the Training, the gene augmentation, the Ion power, the Lantern ring. (As Ion, she wouldn’t need it anymore)

Karand’r would be a serious problem. If she snapped, she’d be a JL level threat.

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Just a genuine attempt to try to salvage whatever intrigue this blackhole of a character is capable of without coattailing Supes per usual.

• Divorcing her from Supermans drip as much as possible, and giving her a serious power level by taking advantage of the other aspects of DC as a universe & have her specifically use Kryptonian tech in her fightstyle and use it to rebuild ravaged worlds, creating New Kryptons in a way.

Which most writers refuse to do with this character, INNOVATION.

Her going to earth at all would happen during her years as a Green Lantern, not by her choice or even curiosity, but duty.

• No secret Identity bullshit either. She lives on Oa, successful, educated, respected. Has a career lined up when she retires from Corps duty, she has her own goddamn life divorced from Earth and Superman, who doesnt exist in that universe.

We see different sides of Starfire, a street smart Kara with an A.I Papa Kal acting as her guide to master her powers & comfort her during her steep depressions, and the experiments that gave Kori and Komand’r their others powers, Kara also suffered those experiments but more extensively because she was more resistant, so now she has Kryptonian +hence genetic augmentations mentioned earlier.

Fun stuff.

Tales of the New Teen Titans #4

• OP Kara except its not cringe because “cell density” or some vague bullshit just to say she’s stronger than Superman without her having to earn shit.🖕 This Kara would have suffered to get this powerful, trained to get that good, she’s a professional, career galactic cop that’d impress the shit out of Buzz Lightyear himself. So it feels earned when she masters all of it.
• So basically if Katara or Judge Anderson from Dredd was a cosmic Superhero

Making Kara cool for once. She’s had badass moments as Supertoken over the years, yet never once have I took this chump seriously or thought she was ever cool. Supergirl works better in concept, its why she has history but no independent legacy. None.

• If Kara was a baby blasted off into space at the moment of world boom, I’d have the Tamaranean “r” family take her in and just go from there.
• Otherwise, making her completely divorced from any mainstream established characters? Fine, have a nun from Oa raise her or something; Have her be shot into the Phantom Zone with her parents as a baby and only she made it out alive.

TL;DR Still make her a Lantern, the reason why I specifically push the Lantern angle is it covers multiple story fronts. It gives her a place to belong, a melting pot to meet a diverse array of backgrounds that can teach her soooooo much.

• And being a Corpsman would put her in ironsights of so many threats outclassing her powerlevel as a Kryptonian, tests for her to get stronger.
• For this stale piece of toast of a character, her being a Lantern does 80% of the work for me as the writer, all I gotta do at that point is just decide what the epilogue looks like and just fill up the events.
• Not re-skin Superman stories but dumb them down and put a chic in it as the main character

And no SuperCapeshit, all of this belongs to her. She’s not copping Supermans situation, Period. At best whatever references happen would be easter eggs.

For the Tamaranean pitch— It’s mainly to give Starfire a place in the plot (because Star is awesome) and that gene augmentation the two of them went through, that same procedure on a Kryptonian ??? Is interesting to me.

Karand’r in a few words would be a studious, sassy, hardheaded prick a with soft spot for kids, sad movies & animals.

She knows she’s stronger than everyone until her then augmented big sis humbles her hard (despite Kara’s own upgrades, Blackfire outclasses her & Kori put together/ Offsetting how Blackfire was considered disabled not being able to fly, now shes the apex predator of Tamaran), Komand’r puts the fear of God in Kara, then she learns (with Starfires help) how to build herself up, learns from the Lanterns how to take orders & instruction without having to run her mouth like she knows shit (she developed an ego from both being royalty, smart as shit, and one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy starting at just 5 yrs old), she matures, gets her ass kicked alot on Lantern duty, trains, trains, trains and becomes an inter-galactic reknowned leader, pioneer in the near future and one of the most powerful beings in the universe.

Her arc isn’t realizing how special she is, her arc is humbling herself and growing the hell up.

All from some lonely baby in a wandering rocket ship.

Not a pet cousin, but a warrior/princess/Commander that runs shit on her terms, whose earned respect from even the guardians (if she didnt have their respect she wouldnt have been allowed to be Ion) and Kilowog (if you know GL Lore & Kilowogs personality, that’s a big deal).

Thats a Kara I’d want to see in a goddamn Movie or animated epic.