"Misaki is BASED" The issue with that Misaki scene is omission of reality

In reality, this generalization of hers is only possible if you ignore the fact that men are the primary creators of the species because they innovate spears to skyscraper, man-made fire & machinations/ creations to mansions to bases, to bunkers, to homes, to shuttles, to traffic lights to highways, mine sites, underwater ops, etc etc. Infrastructure, creation. Women pioneer as well, men are the majority because they have radical drive due to Y chromosome in both violence and creation, ideas, invention. Build and maintain infrastructure, cities, power grids. Inventing most, not all, most of the cool shit we take for granted. Whole fields of occupations that men die doing because women don't have to do it nor help on mass, despite being the majority yet doing less of the harder, dangerous jobs. # So the generalization in itself is incorrect. Because while 80% of violent crimes are done by males, 80% of males in general are not violent criminals, hence civilization still being here. Nuance, knowing what you're talking about. 

The character is as smart as the writer. Even if it's a robot. "Write what you know-" # **Now, if Malcom checked her and asserted that yes it's true that some PEOPLE are destructive, men more than most, and yet he himself creating her is a contradiction to her generalization, who builds the cities in the contradiction, it wouldn't be so awkward, it'd be a complete scene. Because #1 it's not ignoring what she said, #2 it's correcting what she said with facts and logic and not a generalization to replace logic & reality** * **

Or the fact that Misaki killed people earlier that episode-** * But the show skims over what she did to make her look cool, zero moral dilemma. Misaki gets to do that but it's not indicative of women, Eiko gets to kill cops but that's not indicative of women. *

 **And the fact that women actually do not create anything in the childrearing process,** they deliver the end result of what was provided to them in the first place. (Not downplaying the role, just putting a pin in a very obnoxious myth that's an accepted narrative in this era because it deifies women on a pedestal. Aka business as usual.) * 

 The process of creation is between his seed which he actually created and her being the threshold of life, the final phase of the creation. Not her being the sole creator, otherwise women would be asexually reproductive creating the seed, thus the child, thus the germination of 2 seeds in one person and BOTH seeds coming from the same person, alone, no external process or help, thus the creator. As far as babies are concerned, Women create absolutely nothing on their own outside the egg/her seed, they eject the child as he did the sperm. They are one important piece of two core pieces of the puzzle, she is the ONLY natural threshold of life. 

A threshold is not a creator, it's the finish line of the process. And that's enough, because it's important. Men and women in physical unity is a true human, so the true human made from two is what is creating, one or the other isn't creating shit. **But unfortunately the entire point of calling women "creators" is to exclude men from the situation, propaganda aimed to drive division, and abuse, trivialization.** # # 

So it's not the scene itself that's off-putting, it's that she says that, she's wrong, and Malcom just let's her have that when the entire point of his dynamic with both & Misaki and Kokoro is a dialogue exchange, challenging views (which up to that episode was the best parts of the show). 

 The writer giving freebies, because if Malcom checked her, she'd be easily refuted. Because it's not rocket science to know that generalizations are overviews to mirror reality, not represent it. Hence why generalizing women are gold diggers never flies, rightfully so, just because a visible minority does it on mass doesn't mean using "generalization" as a shield means it's right. It's not. Just complete disregard of what men actually do to put women on high (yet again just like mass western media) and for absolutely no reason. **And for the reason they chose? They were misinformed anyway. Women are not creators of life, a com-bined human, a complete human is.** To create life is the act of a god. Lock a woman in a room by herself, a baby isn't happening, she's not creating shit. The Man is the Alpha, the beginning. She is the Omega, the end of the process of birth. Alpha & Omega is the creator. That's not a generalization to replace admitting reality, that's just reality. Period

Because I repeat, women aren't the one's getting up at 4 in the morning to build civilization on crazy jobs people don't even know exist, men are. But is Misaki going to mention that? Because #1 The writer won't, and 2# It defeats the narrative. (Robot wants to be woman because Men = bad. Women = good.)

This says less about Misaki and more about the writers.

And the fact that some people think this is "based" when you couldn't name 5 of the jobs men die doing everyday that women don't have to because men aren't complainers & won't whine & protest that women should finally step up and help.

They shut up, go to work, then go home. You live in a society that can afford to take the other half of the species that's carrying the team, take the ACTUAL creators for granted just to call them destroyers.

No need to call it sexism, It's just bad writing, and a sickening testament to the state of how well programmed these recent generations are to buy this even for a second.

Artists, philosophers, poets, musicians, destruction, coders, architects, infrastructure, vehicles, technology. But destruction is what invalidates the rest. That easy.

So convenient, such a privileged life one must have to just believe everything you use from rails in front of a building to the building itself, to the ceiling, elevators, the piping, the HVAC installation, the bridges, Subway tunnels or who built the trains to put in those tunnels, the tracks, just godlike level feats on part of men and women tbh as a unit, because women do help.

Otherwise, It all just got there all on their own, or women willed it into existence or something lmfao

Logically, in general If men on mass (in general, according to Misaki) were that destructive we wouldn't have survived to see the 1000s let alone 2024, duh.

Even the generalization makes no sense in IRL lore, and in universe? She says men are destroyers as a generalization to the man that created her. r/ Dur

You can't make this shit up, and if the show wanted that to be the point, it should've established it as such as blatantly as Misaki said the line.

It's not an issue stating some people, specifically men are destructive is a sin, no. It's you rely on generalizations because that's your ticket to OMIT everything else they do that actually creates vs calling women creators when in context even that's incorrect.

It's dishonesty. I couldn't say as a broad generalization that women in general put babies in ovens and I could get away with it, because in reality, women on mass do not do that, period. It's true that mainly women have done this, but using "generalization" as shield is not an argument of fact in context.

Because it's not true, period.

This is what happens when propaganda does the thinking for you, and one doesn't think for themselves. Cause this stuff will feed you suggestions and make you think it was your idea when reality itself contradicts it.

And I blame the episode for not executing it's writing more competently because all that was needed was a retort from Malcom, and it could've been a much much better scene. It just read as so left-field and awkward. Like it was injected in there for the sake of it.

Doesn't ruin the show or anything (it's just a few lines), yet it didn't do it any favors, because at this point the plot armor & the characters were not it, way too many contrivances, pacing was shot to hell; So that ontop of everything else, poor execution.

Kokoro & Malcom were carrying hard, T-800 honorable mention.

I Now Understand Why Men Fear Women: (She brings up a good point by mislabeling what men experience)

I appreciate her testimony, and it brings up a very relevant question:

For men, are women really the problem to be afraid of? Or the system run by men that allows women to do this: is where the problem is?

• Is the spoiled child the problem or the dysfunctional parent allowing them to show out in the first place? Thus the actual problem is society = men & women being passive until something happens, no different from SA cases.

Men as a whole as is: tolerate women.

Women’s rights in America came from men: Women demanding fairness, compromise, decency, better conditions from men because men have the cards, because men did the work to build the system in the first place. Those ladies couldn't just change it themselves, they had to call for the system to change because they could do nothing themselves.

• So a woman "ruining" a man's life, still requires a system women didn't build in order for her to do anything. Thus women have as much power as men grant them, if the system added infractions to false accusations such as a handsome fine, or jailtime. It would be done less.

• If a child has no incentive to do better, why should they proactively be better if they can get away with doing less if not worse?

• Society is the parent to the man and woman: The children. As the man & woman make up society, we collectively, parent ourselves. We are the problem & solution, paradoxically.

*That's why Women have never made a Themyscira on the level of America let alone Canada or Japan.*

Men do not fear Women, because Men do not need Women.

Men want women, and when women burn that bridge, that's when it gets messy, that's when birthrates drop, that’s when women ask “Why don’t men approach me?“, “What happened to men?“ as if women did nothing to contribute to any of what’s happening.

TL;DR You fear a threat. Women aren't a threat, they are a biologically necessary liability, and women being a liability at all ** is NOT NATURAL.**

Just so we're clear, women being a weak-link is not their default state, this is entirely a contrived era-specific phenomenon where a village forgot how to raise women, & now just produces girls on mass.

All to warp & twist the woman’s natural role of being a source of community stability by destroying traditional roles in the first place that gave them a foundation to be that strength.

Women (at their worst) abuse power just like men, but the difference is they build no infrastructure to destroy, because they have no power by themselves they can only influence the builders, and even that situational. That's not something to fear, women at their worst are a parasite, parasites are dependent on provision to suck from.

• *conspiracy wise, part of the point of being made to hating women when the actual issue is the system allowing them to do this: is misdirection, it's a strategy to disconnect men from women. That's the point.* Women are no more the issue than a spoiled brat is the issue vs the parent allowing them to cause damage in the first place, who runs the system? Men.

Otherwise Men on mass are still more dangerous in violent crime statistics. Men are worth fear because they build everything and can take it apart. Women don't run anything on mass because women do not understand infrastructure & don't want to understand because if men run everything, then men can be blamed for when something goes wrong.

This is why people claim they want a "female president", this is why they want to pretend "a day without women" is a big deal but never have the balls to venture off to start their own country despite having the numbers to do it.

This is why despite women being a liability & majority, they're not taken seriously, and Hollywood has a lot to do with trivializing women’s stake in society while gaslighting us that they’re trying to uplift women.

For the good men to those kind of women: *The word isn't "fear" = it's "indifference", it's "toleration"*, the worst kind of retaliation- not caring anymore.

Which is the agenda: to make men give up, retreat to fantasy lalaland to replace women with sick parodies of women’s own likeness or just snap and do something stupid.

Many Women are making a bed they’re soon not gonna want to sleep in, and it’s going to effect other women that did nothing wrong as a consequence, as it has been for years already; that’s the tragic part.

Bioshock 2 gifs (5-15-25)

 

This

This game holds up remarkably competent, still one of the best sequel games to release.

OBSESSED EX WON'T STOP FOLLOWING ME | The Stalked

I thought the same thing, how this game is basically "the woman experience: the game", constantly on defense from various gazes. But it ain't better for dudes when in that tense situation. What difference are hands gonna make when the opponent got a gun or jump you. The entire grip of this terror is you don't know what the person outside can do. Fear is fear, trauma is trauma. Dudes ain't indestructible to paranoia, poor mental health, pain or a bullet. Women got nails, teeth, screams, fists, kicks, they not as strong but they ain't helpless. fym. Teach a little girl how to grapple & how to box, if a woman learns how to do those. She straight for life. The only difference between men & women in this scenario is women get sympathy. You wanna talk about reality? That's the real tragedy. If it's a dude stalked, no one would care. Women can be vulnerable & expect society to be receptive to their trauma, turn it into a cause, an ad, a movie, a video game, an organization vs indifference. And even if it's not an expectation, that's a more likely reaction than dismissal or mockery. And the sad part is, that happens to women too, dismissal. So imagine what a guy gets: a ready bosom for his tears because he got followed home? Likely. That's the main difference here, the fucks to give post-event.

But to circle back to women, this game captures that constant defense mechanism when just going anywhere, just being a woman makes a different kind of target to someone mook son acting a menace for no reason. The game captures that perfectly. Like "can i just exist as a human being without being on the market as a pottential conquest, like what tf's wrong with you people lmfao"

Man Of Steel - Superman Vs General Zod Last Fight **Reaction Mashup** (the issue with the neck snap isn't Zods death)

Man Of Steel - Superman Vs General Zod Last Fight Reaction Mashup

Kent having to balance saving people & fighting Zod like in Superman 2 and Death of Superman 2018 (excellent Superman fight btw, go watch that movie), that would've been leagues better leading up to him killing Zod. It's not the execution of Zod, It's just the build up to it that was so sloppy. All those buildings fell, all those people,  & only now this one family matters?

 
I've been in fights, when you're locked in  as an amateur, you don't pay attention as much to your environment, you get tunnel vision, so i get it, but this guy has super senses and common sense, all those buildings & not once is he looking around cognizant of whats happening? And there plenty of times the fight stopped after he got punched, no awareness, nothing.

 
(The irony of zod's claim of training on a farm is Clark actually did not train, he practiced to fly, and Jor-El appointed him to test his limits but part of the issue with this "Superman" is he's actually unqualified emotionally and literally, cause Jor-El did a horrible job prepping him, 78 Jor-El basically made Clark into a NEET shut-in before he even got the suit, that training was so extensive it required a timeskip, Clark had to earn the suit. Same with Smallville.)

*Cavill's era was wasted on Snyder & Goyer, absolutely wasted and squandered.* Instead of people using him saving that soldier that fell out the copter as an excuse like "See? see? He saves people in a fight!", that same act should've been extended here.

Not him saving everyone successfully, but him saving some & failing others mid-fight (because he's still green & there's but so much he can do at this stage of his career) and then after that failure, after he sees and absorbs that loss then he does what needs to be done with heavy heart. But we the audience have to see him seeing this & getting that impact DURING the crisis, not at the end with some frigging scream.
Thats what Invincible got right, or like Superman in canon (Superman for Tomorrow when he couldn't stop an execution of civilians on foreign soil or he couldn't stop a foreign ethnic dispute, excellent story btw, recommended). That's why this doesn't work and his comic Doomsday fight does, both Death of Superman animated movies too, both good fights, WAAAAY better than this.

 
Zack prioritized an uncut DragonBallZ fight with a post-nut regret scream over a Superman accurate narrative with a fight attached to it.  (And the fight isn't really that good honestly, Zimaut Animation could easily direct a better fight with just Flash animation software, go check their channel out btw, recommended) Like Superman vs Doomsday 2018, Supes didn't care if Doomsday was a living being or not, in fact, he didn't even check. In the end, he wanted him put down because if it wasn't done, Lois would die, and Earth would be donezo next, period. And Supes was a hair's breadth from passing out as well.

 
It's not about him killing Zod (in Superman ii he killed Zod out of spite with a smile, tho that was a different context given it was basically like a kiddy cartoon with some emotional elements but it was still unnecessary on Supermans part) but here it's all about the execution because unlike Superman 2, this movie takes itself very very very seriously, which raises the bar for a stunt like this.

 
The execution of all this was just as messy as Zacks Batman Bathroom scene idea.
I get what he was going for, but like Horikoshi & Bayformers, Zack has the vision to make something look cool, but how these cats get the story to that fixed point just ends up a train wreck.

(Disclaimer: the entire context of that gif of Superman taking Doomsday upside from that little girl ended with Supes suplexing Doomsday back down to kill him but for some reason he thought it was a brilliant idea to do that back in METROPOLIS/ a city **which is a major strike against that fight**, but him taking the opponent up in the sky at all instead of just sitting there acting like he forgot how to fly which is what Man of Steel-- did was my point in showing that excerpt. Because I've been saying for years "If he has Zod in a lock, ie. physical control, why didn't he just fly up?!????")

“Why don’t guys approach me?” — Men owe women nothing, Women owe it to themselves to take more initiative

“Just what makes a woman approachable?

I’m single. I’ve been told I’m cute, or pretty by guys before. Sometimes my friend (who they say looks a lot like me) gets hit on. But never me. I even go out on my errands alone, or hang out at cafes alone (like, go out and eat while reading a book) just to put myself out there. I try to smile as much without making myself look silly. But why won’t people approach me? Why are other girls more approachable than some?

Ps: Before someone says I should go approach others first, it’s generally not easy in my conservative society for a girl to approach a guy first.”

— 6 years ago from 2025

Easy answer: Low risk, low effort, low reward. You get what you put in.

You’re not owed approach. If sitting idle, being decoration with a smile didn’t result in you getting the time of your life, maybe expecting something for doing nothing isn’t the best strategy if you want **active results or fulfillment when you succeed. And yet if he did all the work, what exactly did you succeed at? Being the NPC for the player to interact with?

The pedestal made sense back when women had less political, occupational/Societal agency, that men approach & offer favors, drinks and the like. Things are different now.

• It’s unlikely OP wasn’t approached because they were ugly than it was/is the era people live in where approaching women is more a liability than a gain for most men. That’s 70% more likely to be why, than it is looks.

Otherwise: Ladies, you’re not the main character in the lives of men, please understand this: Just like women, men have lives. You “signaling” available is unlikely to stop their current agenda or trajectory 100% of the time, just to fulfill your immediate mating needs because at that given moment that’s what you silently want.

 (which vice versa is part of the problem with men picking up ladies on the street at random or catcalling).

Some may still approach you but Men owe you nothing. If you want something to happen, make it happen, speak.

• Looks, side glances, body language, looking around, pretending to be lost, signals, smoke signals, morse code etc. All these tactics just to avoid having to approach anyone, more of a performance, an act than actual flirting. Silliness.

“I had a friend teach me a trick in college. We were at a bar. She said to look around to spot your “hottie” then let them catch you looking at them. Then coyly look down when they notice. Repeat again a bit later then maybe 1 more time. If they’re interested they’ll come over. Obviously won’t work in all settings but could help. Definitely worked for us :)”

(Like I said, more of a performance, than flirting. Anything to avoid putting their ego’s at risk. Every little trick in the book to preserve their comfort zone, just to avoid showing weakness by just going to another human being and communicating like a normal person. It’s sad.)

 

“Forget the men! At least they have the option to chase. What about us ladies who have nothing to do on a saturday night “ - 2018

(A Woman resigning herself to a depressing mindset that men not carrying them to success means nothing happens on a saturday night. Choosing to opt out to be lonely because they think being a burden & an NPC in their own lives is dating or being an adult.

Men & Women have the choice to chase, many women disqualify themselves from that option because then they have a pathetic excuse when something doesn’t go their way and someone to blame for not handing them a happy ending, zero effort, lazy.)

Some guys don’t engage out of shyness, inept social skills, disgruntled, others out of rightful paranoia, the rest won’t waste their time; but this isn’t about them, even if we want it to be because “deflection”.

• This is about a norm- set up for women to use men to avoid putting themselves in a scenario of humility, vulnerability, being at the mercy of possible rejection.
• And so by keeping the ball in men’s court of approaching, women have the position of power to accept & reject, receive favors, drinks, offerings they didn’t earn, zero risk to their ego.
• And men are always on the back foot, giving giving giving, entertaining & offering and never in an equal position of consideration; “equal”, which is how it should be.

“zero risk to their ego. “

Which is why many women have emotional intelligence but are still emotionally incompetent.

Why? When your ego is gatekept & coddled, never tested, never pushed, then it will never mature.

Women having to approach is women giving up their situational pedestal & privilege.

And when men don’t play the part of the fool anymore without question/ or not as much, then we sit here & claim men are scared of rejection when *the entire point of women asking WHY aren’t men initiating, instead of women just initiating when men don’t (which is just common sense) is because WOMEN are terrified of doing anything that might even suggest they be subject to any possible rejection or challenge to their ego, hence deflection.

The “dating game” as it were was tailored around female fragility, which is why all women had to do was sit there, be approached and cast verdict. Ego intact. Convenient. Low quality mindset.

To initiate isn’t a dating skill, it’s a basic life skill you execute anywhere: at work, with friends etc. (Children are capable of this) So If you can’t get a man unless he’s crawling to you, how are you going to somehow keep one if you’re too scared to try to get one? If you’re that socially inept in this context, why date in the first place?

The “because you’re the man” NPC attitude is not worth anyone’s time, man or woman, as if one’s physical womanhood deadass cures cancer or something.

• Otherwise this implies that women have no agency in dating unless men are carrying them every step of the way, lies. 100% enabled laziness.

(but thankfully not all women sit back & expect something for nothing; some women spit game, plug-in and actually try)

In a context with a lesbian: who I assume eventually commits to approaching (& rejecting), paying etc. due to a lack of a man/ ie. “servant” to do everything,. Lesbians apparently can do it.

So why are straight women treating men with this overtone like “Approach me for the honor of spending money on me, to impress me, make me feel special.”- Main character syndrome

Women wanting approach is about control & convenience:, just stay home & chill and live life single- if you’re above approaching or too scared or can’t handle or adapt to having to step up your game to play an actual dating game vs a rigged pedestal simulator bent in women’s favor, feeling entitled to men’s attention for doing absolutely nothing. (Unbelievable)

“Women hate roles until Men stop doing theirs.”

Otherwise, the solution is mix up the formula, get out your comfort zone; Stop asking why men aren't just handing you their attention, you are not the main character. Deep breath, open your mouth, go shoot your shot, be yourself.

• If/when rejected, thank them for their time & if they were nice about it, thank them for that too; do that subconscious play women do when they place their hand on his arm or shoulder to assert assurance (if you're close enough).
• If you want to hardball gamble & insist that you'd make good company, fine. But don't ask "why" he said no & put him on trial in a scramble for control, cause your ego got wrecked.

Don't be a spoiled brat, otherwise take it like a champ and move the hell on: That's not looking desperate, that's called dating.

“Ps: Before someone says I should go approach others first, it’s generally not easy in my conservative society for a girl to approach a guy first.”

By “not easy”, I will assume she meant the conservative men or collective wouldn’t be comfortable with a woman asking or it’d be looked down upon. If that’s how it is; Leave or be the change. Otherwise it’s not an excuse to be passive, zero excuse.

• In general: we can’t complain about a problem then fore warn the repliers not to present the obvious solution (likely because OP already knew what she needed to do to fix the problem), which is basically omitting an easy solution because they came here looking for a “not your fault” clause.

If you want a date, don't hope he catches you looking at him, don't wait for him to treat you to free shit like he's daddy, go approach. You are not special. Disney lied to you.

Approach goes both ways or no way at all, men are not on this planet to perform for women at women’s convenience, on women’s terms, as if women are the only human beings in the situation (dating, friendships or marriages) that matter, this is partly why sex relations are in the garbage: It’s not all about women, women being impressed, nor their immediate conveniences.

• There are guys that approach & offer purchases to assert themselves and women reversing that makes some men feel like they have less control over the encounter; Another reason to dispel the foolishness.

Lastly, with all we expect men to do including possibly/hypothetically protecting her with his own life in a crisis, if need be; the least women can do to start an arrangement is just go say “Hi” (especially if she’s the one that wants his attention in the first place), make a friend at minimum.

TL;DR If you choose to date in the first place, if you want outcome, women owe it to themselves to take more initiative. Men are not psychic & being the womb bearer in the scenario doesn’t exempt you from ever having to feel rejection like the rest of us mere mortals, women are not special.

In men and women, “proactivity” is as attractive as it is an evolutionary advantage. Laziness, cowardice, apathy, uselessness, & entitlement in a person is a liability.

Maz should've been Rey's guardian

 Rey's skills would've been both justified & explained if they just had Maz Kanata be her mentor & adopted mother to begin with.

Get the same result with less work while using a character they already established as 'knowing' (& in the end did nothing with) anyway.

The Issue with Black Widow’s Fight style is it’s oriented for takedowns instead of knockouts. (Iron Man 2 Black Widow fight)

The Issue with Black Widow’s Fight style is it’s oriented for takedowns instead of knockouts. (Iron Man 2 Black Widow fight)

Black Widow vs Hammer Security — Fight Scene — Iron-Man 2 (2010): The fight scene most people think is legitimate in how it portrays a woman fighting men- “realistically”.

Wrong.

The most legit ko's was 0:25 , 0:48 (generously) 1:45 (And that’s if she choked him out squeezing his neck in-between her thigh & calf. If she just forced his head to the ground, he’d have a broken face but he wouldn’t be knocked out from that- so headcanon essentially) the rest of that should’ve been edited better. If that’s realistic to some folk, then Hollywood isn’t doing women in action movies any justice these days.

As opposed to better examples that aren’t bound by realism:

As entertainment the Widow hallway scene works, it’s fun but when ppl say shit like this:

“I loved this scene so much, I always keep rewinding it 🤣 I love the realistic portrayal of a woman fighting men. She uses gadgets to her advantage and her/their weight against them.”

“I love the realistic portrayal of a woman fighting men. “

“realistic-“

Nah, a realistic fight is Desh vs Bourne, that’s realistic, why? Exchange, resistance, Bourne was so desperate he resorted to throwing shit at the dude just to buy 2 seconds of breathing room or an opening; but only if you want to argue realism. 

• Because most of what what happens in Widow’s fight happens in most action fights (telegraphing, waiting, playing up damage so they get in cue), the point is to maintain the illusion so viewers immerse so deep you don’t notice that the whole thing’s a practiced dance.
• With women participants or most of the time when they lead the dance, the illusion is harder to maintain. Especially if she isn’t a fighter in her personal life.

Steve vs Winter Soldier Round 1 was stylistic but even that was more grounded because the EDITING/ The cuts were on point.

Otherwise, the rest of this Widow fight is not believable, (mind you- i stand by what I said in the Ruth post where Scarlet sells it better, YES! But is it realistic? Hell no) it just got even worse with Ruth & some of Yelena, so in comparison Scarlet’s Widow is obviously better in execution.

I repeat:

They (MCU) shoulda made her (Widows as a whole) super soldiers like in ultimate avengers, a lot of her impacts wouldn’t down a grown man. That knee strike is a big maybe, the nut shot would buy her maybe 60 seconds, the widow bites are her only guarantee —legit enough to KO in ideal conditions, the other 90%? Whack.

“You’ll note that we have 12 super soldier candidates, for whom we are developing 12 different serums, it’s unique for every person.”(Bruce Banner 2006, Ultimate Avengers)

• Natasha is one of those candidates, thus a super soldier, tho a lesser potent serum. Which is how she was able to force a needle into Hulk’s hide with her bare hands, which is a minor detail that only now have I noticed. A normal man wouldn’t have been able to do that even with standard steroids.
• That’s what the MCU should’ve done, & if not immediately, by CA:WS or AOU she should’ve gotten something after Steve’s thawing.
• Or the Red Room should’ve been a Super Soldier program, didn’t they do some shit with red fart dust or something? Instead of mind control via some funky hormones, just make them bootleg super soldiers.

These small af women kind of needed to be enhanced in some way, if the fight process going to be like what we’ve been getting, otherwise step up the women’s choreography game. 

Or enhance them so their punches have more weight, and them throwing grown men makes more sense. That actually makes things more fun to watch tbh, like with Trinity’s fights.

The only reason why Silk Spectre in Snyder’s film gets a pass is because the way that action is shot & the nature of the setting: it’s not realistic. And the actress sells the fuck out of those fights. She’s not enhanced but her status as a vigilante in that movie puts her on a level above the average man and by design it’s not — “Realistic”

No quips, no jokes. 100% deconstruction of the opponent

In Marvel movies it’s more “realistic”, and the  price of realism is believability. The more you make it realistic, the more you limit your ability to sell it.

I look back on this Ironman 2 Widow fight with positive outlook but only when compared to what we got now, but that Ironman 2 Widow fight wasn’t the perfect gem we think it was in terms of “woman wins against a man (realistically)”.

Fuck nah, ya’ll need to watch more shit. 

minimum effort, no flips

Laurie wasn’t doing no fancy shit, her movements were minimum but her dodging, her weaving was so precise, it looks amazing, still to this day. 

The moves were sharper and meaner than any Widow, less energy spent on takedowns & more focused on knockouts. Better choreographed & edited. And looks better because it was NOT REALISTIC — her stylistic strength fit the setting. We gotta stop worshipping ”realism”.

 The Dark Knight started the trend and it’s been downhill ever since because even those movies’ choreography was lacking in many areas (especially after Batman Begins) and the main issue was realism.

Which is why nobody praises TDK trilogy for the fight scenes but EVERYONE still simps for that warehouse fight in BvS

The editing game has to level up for the women, especially if the movie staff insists on pitting them against more than one MAN and not a woman; because notice how these widows are rarely ever pit against other women on average but mainly men as if to say fighting skills can legit close the gap to best 200+ lbs, denser bones+++ PER Multiple men resisting 115 lbs of counterweight, that’s believable as long as she’s flipping.

Laurie didn’t flip once, she flipped HIS ASS:

But then again, the men fighting these Widows are not really resisting are they? They get hit, they’re stun locked so she can basically do whatever and control the fight because if they resist, then the actress is going to struggle more. Which is the point.

Laurie’s Silk Spectre in the movie fights like Washington’s “Equalizer”, brutal & minimum energy wasted.

The flaw of a Widow’s fight style is they’re sacrificing so much of their stance, footing and energy for theatricality; all just to get their enemies to the floor.

And apparently them hitting the floor means they’re out the fight. 

• The Widow style is designed for women to master it, that’s fine but it’s takedown techniques are not ideal when you need to KNOCK+OUT grown men beyond just taking them down.
•  I don’t doubt a woman could grapple a man to the ground with some well placed  counterbalance, & submission a victory but how the movies translate their takedowns, is not believable as a knockout. 
• Hollywood thinks knockouts and takedowns are the same thing. 

So Nat performs a takedown, I’m expecting bro to get up but he’s still on the floor and I’m like “Whoah what happened?! He fell asleep?”

And it looks like the women “should” win because of how extra they’re making it look but they’re really not doing much of anything beyond bruising & breaking noses, let alone knocking anyone out, most of the time anyway.

 Which is why they need to use the widow bite more to sell the fight. That’s how a WIDOW knocks out a 250 Ib security guard with a killcount, that Widow bite. And that’s something I can praise Yelena for in Thunderbolts she used that Widow Bite effectively.

(Granted the energy feedback of the bite wouldn’t have stopped the downward momentum of a SUPER SOLDIERS stab attempt, so that makes no sense but it draining his stamina slowly, that’s a cool way to use it defensively. At least she’s using the damn Widow bite for something other than decoration)

Scarlet’s Widow overall performs it better than the other 2 but even her fights fall short still, her takedowns are good but all their knockouts are silly. Because that’s the nature of their fight style, it seems more engineered to be a distraction to create an opening for a killshot- Like the widow bite? Or a gun? Or a knife stab? They need to spam that Widow bite or put guns in it.

 It’s basically an assassins dream fight style for misdirection, imagine if a Widow did that spinny shit, and after the guy gets up (because he’s not hurt lol), he suddenly realizes his neck is split wide open because she used that maneuver for something more than just throwing him down & while he’s bleeding out she’s on top of the other four guys just tearing them apart in similar fashion.

 That’s how a Widow should be shown to fight, takedowns mixed with knockouts, or in this case, blatant executions. 

“The Black Widow“ should have the same level of weight as “The Winter Soldier“, that’s the ONLY reason why Winter Soldier would entertain Natasha as a partner during his prime years. Because she’s the same level of beast as him, just not in the same way.  The MCU dropped the ball on that.

• Happy’s fight, while less cool, is actually more realistic because his opponent actually resisted in a realistic fight, but only if “realism” is the hill we want to die on.

Looking back on this, It amazes me how many people didn’t even notice or point out that she didn’t use her most valuable weapon in that hall way fight— The Wrist stingers/Widows Bite, she didn’t use them once. 

(If you want to say she’s that good, that’s not gonna work because most of what she did wasn’t enough to KO a  WOMAN, in fact most of those guys should’ve gotten right back up, which is the point of the widow bite or widow biting them mid spinny move. Since Disney doesn’t have the balls to make a Widow into the threat they should be.)

She used them in 2012 a few times which was good and in 2014, 2015, 2016, don’t recall her using them in IW against Promixa of all people but overall she didn’t use them enough, all things considered.

Instead of slowing down a fight to show her using it, just subtly put sparks in between her punches to visualize the bite being used mid-momentum and weakening her opponents to the point of eventual atrophy and collapse. 

Like Yelena did in Thunderbolts, easy fix. Just keep doing that, so while  Scarlet’s combat portrayal was better in hand to hand delivery-- Pugh is not far behind if she keeps this up. 

By mixing Widow-Fu with the Widow Bite to K.O, that’s a more balanced, more legitimate/ “REALISTIC”  Black Widow. 

All in all, the 2011 fight sold better on the first watch when i saw it in theaters, cause it was a new gimmick then.

And the number 1 issue isn’t Scarlet or any of the actresses, it’s how it’s shot & organized.

The only reason why Jason Bourne’s scenes sell so well for the most part (beside the shaky cam being annoying) is ironically —  the shaky editing, the snap cuts, by the time we know what even happened, the fight’s over or it transitioned. The momentum and speed or at least the illusion of it.

That’s how Bourne is depicted to be more than what a man should even be capable of, kinda like the Watchmen 2009 vigilante’s. That’s how a Widow should’ve been shown to be fighting, and if they wanted an explanation for her strength in realism? Bootleg Super Serum. Because Ultimate Avengers 06′ did it.

Sometimes to pull off a good fight doesn’t mean showing everything, because the more audiences see, that’s more that can work against the choreography if what the fighter is actually doing isn’t effective in the slightest to actually K.O someone, “realistically”. Leave some mystique, keep the illusion maintained..

Realism is not our friend in action genre, you’ll just bottleneck your options that way.

ESPECIALLY IF SHE IS NOT ENHANCED vs in a stylistic setting where her strength as a female is irrelevant- aka Kung Fu movies, anime, parody, etc.

-the MCU doesn’t want everyone to be super soldiers, got it but they & other movie studios need to exploit better techniques if they want base form women to be out here mopping up dudes. It can be done, but you just have to give a damn.

That widow bite needs to be spammed waaaaaay way way more, because that’s their biggest advantage. Anything less just looks too silly and telegraphed. Because that’s the price of wanting a woman to basically be Jason Statham, and not all his fights impress me either.

Spoiler alert: Being a Widow is not a insta-win formula

A 120 Ib woman slamming a 250 Ib man on the ground from a flip or kicking him in the chest (Yelena’s first fight scene in Thunderbolts*) isn’t going to down him for the fight-

at best that’s a set up for the ACTUAL finisher, snap his neck, dislocate his shoulder, widow bite his lower back, poison tipped knife, widow bite his temple & make his brain fry, idgaf, DO SOMETHING legit. 

Make a Black Widow scary, not predictable. That was one of the MCU’s greatest failures: not making the Widow’s & Red Room  more of a “Babayaga”.

A takedown is not a finisher, (again) Hollywood seems to think “takedowns” are “knockouts”. If that were the case, Khabib would’ve been winning fights in seconds during his UFC career.

• A takedown is taking someone down to the ground, grounding them which the Widow style does effortlessly,.
• A legit knockout is legitimately taking them out the fight, period.  (via broken bone, killing them, submission hold, nerve strike, elbow to temple etc). 

A Widow’s fight style is takedown focused to favor a woman’s lighter build; not knockout focused. The takedown is merely you buying a window to do something else to actually end the fight.

Realism, editing, mistaking takedowns for knockouts.
Top 3 reasons why a Widow’s fight style is lackluster,

The Iron Man 2 Widow fight is iconic, a good attempt at selling the concept, but overall not a realistic representation of women fighting legitimately against men because no woman is winning a fight against multiple men flipping around, let alone one (who can fight too) when all she can do is do stylistic takedowns which is only ideal against 1 person and her ground game better be on point to get that submission hold quick before he gets on top on her. It’s whole different ball game when he knows what he’s doing too.

Which is why her fight against Clint is one of her most underrated highlights of all time (tho she didn’t Widow Bite then either *smh), that was still a solid fight, dodged one of his arrows damn near point blank and she won legitimately- with an injury, against brainwashed Hawkeye of all people.

But other than that, Widow-Fu looks nice tho, but it’s not realistic- especially when they refuse to use the Widow bite.

If Hollywood wants women to be on that level, the ladies need to be smarter or enhanced; they’re not men and not every male character’s fight works either. 

These women need to be directed to throw their punches sharper, faster, going for throat, finger striking eyeballs, grappling & dislodging bones and joints — WHILE STANDING UP. 

Elite tier shit, Equalizer level combat. You don’t need super strength  to do that, but it does look more convincing when a Man does it, but it can be done. A woman’s punch is not akin to a child’s punch, they’re still grown adults, the actresses just need better direction.

 (and at minimum, the editors need to make up the differences in post.)